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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Children's Convenor Gregor Murray resigns

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SturdyEarmuffs · 10/08/2018 15:26

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/703892/childrens-convener-resigns-following-row-over-expletive-laden-social-media-outbursts/amp/?twitterimpression=true

Good. They are a disgrace.

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SturdyEarmuffs · 10/08/2018 15:26

Bloody typos - that should read convener

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SturdyEarmuffs · 10/08/2018 15:39

Thanks just posted on it 👍

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theOtherPamAyres · 10/08/2018 15:42

I see that the councillor puts the blame for his outbursts on unspecified persecutors. They neither take responsibility nor apologise.

SturdyEarmuffs · 10/08/2018 16:00

Exactly. Same old same old.

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Datun · 10/08/2018 16:57

Thank god. I was really beginning to think there wasn't anyone who would take charge of this.

Although, it seems to have taken a bloody long time to realise what an absolute sexist knob this man is.

The year before, while deputy convener for education, Cllr Murray attacked Alex Salmond’s plan for a 40% female quota in boardrooms as “f*ing stupid”

Bowlofbabelfish · 10/08/2018 17:22

Everyone else’s fault it seems.

Funnily enough I’ve been under enormous personal and work pressure in my life and managed to never call someone a cunt in public. But then I’m just a woman and we are emotional little things aren’t we?

Datun · 10/08/2018 17:26

and managed to never call someone a cunt in public.

Can you imagine? Or publically calling someone fucking stupid? In a professional capacity.

birdsdestiny · 10/08/2018 17:28

Oh shit are we not meant to do that. Who knew.
Thank god hes gone.

R0wantrees · 10/08/2018 17:37

The year before, while deputy convener for education, Cllr Murray attacked Alex Salmond’s plan for a 40% female quota in boardrooms as “f*ing stupid”

March 2018 Fairplay for Women article, 'Like A Thief In The Night: The Scottish Bill That Stole The Word Woman'
(extract)

"Last year while we were all looking the other way and distracted by the UK government’s proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act the word woman was stolen from us. It was sneakily done by the Scottish parliament and hidden behind a smoke screen. That smoke screen was The Gender Representation on Public Boards Bill.

The Bill introduced the ‘gender representation objective’ – a target that women should make up 50% of non-executive board membership.

The purpose of this bill was admirable. It was to help women overcome the institutional sexism we suffer due to our sex. Positive action to redress the imbalances that have arisen from centuries of historical disadvantage. It was to acknowledge the reality that institutionalised inequality and sexist attitudes stop most women from reaching their full potential in public life. Financial barriers, income inequality, the gender pay gap, sexist attitudes, gender stereotyping, women’s disproportionate share of caring responsibilities, the undervaluing of women’s paid work, and media portrayals of women, to name but a few influences, all play a role in the sexism that prevents a fair number of women being involved in public life.

But in a cruel twist of irony it was also to be the perfect trojan horse to steal the very meaning of the words woman and female from us.

It all started early last year. The Scottish Government consulted on the draft bill between 5 January 2017 and 13 March 2017. Quietly and without fanfare. Non existent media coverage. No one was that bothered. Only 101 responses to the consultation, 66 from groups or organisation and 35 from individuals. Compare this to the >15000 responses received for the Scottish consultation for reform of the Gender Recognition Act this year. This one slipped by unnoticed.

The draft bill was transgender inclusive and included this:

The “gender representation objective” for a public board is that it has

(a) 50% of non-executive members who are female or who identify as female, and

(b) 50% of non-executive members who are male or who identify as male.

But this still wasn’t enough for the transgender lobby.

The Scottish Trans Alliance wanted to remove the phrase ‘who are female’ and ‘who are male’, so as not to create a legal difference between those ‘who are’ and those ‘who identify as’ male or female. They got their way. They always do.

Mary Fee MSP (Scottish Labour) proposed an amendment and it was accepted. The Bill was changed to instead simply refer to ‘women’. No mention of those who are female. No mention of the phrase ‘who identify as’. Just the word women. The same word women that the general public know to mean adult females. The same word defined in the Equality Act 2010 as ‘meaning female of any age’.

This was a clever trick. Everyone knows what woman means don’t they. Why would any unsuspecting politician or member of the public be alarmed by a bill that stated on its first page that its objective was to have 50% who are women.

But this definition of woman also included men.

Hidden in the small print of a bill was a few lines of text which undermines everything women have fought for. For thousands of years women have had to struggle for their rights. We’ve had legal equality for a heartbeat in the Western world and now this.
If that wording sounds familiar that’s because it is. It’s basically the exact same wording used in the Equality Act 2010 to define a transsexual person. It is the criteria by which someone falls under the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. This is what protects transgender people from being discriminated against because they are trans.

They have replaced that linguistic mouthful ‘for the purpose of reassigning the person’s sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex‘ to the simple and easy to remember phrase ‘becoming female’.

No longer is that definition a reference to a ‘transsexual person’ but now as if by magic it’s a reference to ‘a woman’. Who was consulted about this? Who agreed to this change? How dare they wipe away the meaning of a word without our informed consent?

‘Woman’ is now to include men who ‘become female‘. No definition of how though. Not surgery that’s for sure. No medical supervision required. No diagnosis of gender dysphoria. To wish it is to become it. To speak it is to become it.

This definition is so broad that it can include anyone." (continues)

fairplayforwomen.com/scottish_stole_woman/

Children's Convenor Gregor Murray resigns
silentcrow · 10/08/2018 17:46

I'd be interested to know where this person washes up next.

SturdyEarmuffs · 10/08/2018 17:49

Well, I think I'd be keeping an eye out for his likely recruitment to LGBT Youth. That would be my bet.

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R0wantrees · 10/08/2018 18:12

“As well as issues surrounding my personal life, I have also been subjected to a vicious and sustained string of abuse across various social media channels, a small fraction of which you have witnessed."

Heads up that Gregor Murray's preferred pronouns are they/them (they identify as non-binary)
twitter.com/grogipher

Also seems from Gregor Murray's Twitter bio they may be involved with a number of groups already.

Children's Convenor Gregor Murray resigns
Hackedoffwoman · 10/08/2018 18:27

He has only resigned from a couple of committees. He is still a Councillor!

womanspeaking · 10/08/2018 18:29

I see the word 'sorry' is not in their vocabulary - along with the word 'woman' ? Isn't this the person who managed to commission a report about period poverty that didn't mention the words woman or girl?

I wonder how the Scouts feel about this person working with children - they're a scout leader according to that link Shock

TheCountryGirl · 10/08/2018 18:30

What a foul, anti-woman bigot this creep is! The hatred just seeps out of his pores.

Charliethefeminist · 11/08/2018 07:49

Bump

R0wantrees · 11/08/2018 10:36

Current hread discussing that Murray's resignation was due to 'threats to life.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332582-Trans-councillor-leaves-roles-after-threats-to-life

Links to BBC article: 'Trans councillor leaves roles after 'threats to life'
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"In a statement on social media, Dundee councillor Gregor Murray said mental wellbeing, personal issues and online abuse were behind the decision.

The SNP councillor also said they had received threats to their life." (continues)

OP Bespin comment:
"I'm not one for posting threads on here but I feel this is quite a sad position for this person and shows how hard it is to maintain a professional stance on this when you are receiving threats and abuse at the levels that are currently happening on the Internet, in no way am I saying this is gender critical people. But this debate as now got to such a level that it is starting to cost people there livelihoods on both sides of this so called debate."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45151228

R0wantrees · 11/08/2018 10:43

@SturdyEarmuffs
Might you consider asking Mumsnet to edit the title of the post to include Gregor Murray's name please?

As this is being reported on the BBC and many national newspapers, it may be of interest to many people and this would make searching easier.

MN have been happy to do this with a few recent threads when the OP has reported their post and requested it.

SturdyEarmuffs · 12/08/2018 16:26

Will do rowan.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 12/08/2018 18:59

I’m just looking ahead a few years and wondering how I’d feel if ds went to beavers or scouts in sparkly wellies and was told he wasn’t a proper boy because of it.

I think I’d be rather angry about that, and I’d be having a word.

R0wantrees · 12/08/2018 19:22

Also Bowl if he went to beavers or scouts in sparkly wellies and was encouraged to change pronouns and see 'themself' as both (or neither) a boy and girl?

Bowlofbabelfish · 12/08/2018 19:40

I’d be very very pissed off ROwan

If we could just get society to a point where no one batted an eyelid at a boy in pink wellies or any other ‘non conformist’ GNC action, the world would be a happier place.

He’s still a young thing but we will be inoculating him with a healthy dose of critical thinking and age appropriate truth I think. How sad we have to.

R0wantrees · 12/08/2018 20:26

O I don't doubt Master Bowl 's future critical thinking skills
or his opportunity to select the coloured wellies of his choosing!

Maybe we need to start with a wellie revolution? Liberate males from the black and khakis and encourage them to have more glitter!

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