Burglar breaks into house, steals woman's clothes and .... Jeez

[theOtherPamAyres]

Police in Wigan appealed for information about a burglar who broke into a house, stole a woman's clothes, and dressed up in the garden. Whereupon he pleasured himself.

Some people might not give this case a second glance, but I would. The police describe the incident as Unusual. It's a bit more than that, officer.

It takes nerves of steel to be a burglar.

You risk someone seeing you breaking in, or being confronted by residents, alarms, neighbours and dogs.

It takes a warped mindset to target a particular property because you fancy the clothes of the woman who lives there. Did he follow her, just to see where she lived? Did he follow her for a few days to check out her style?

And finally, it is chilling how the burglar stayed within the bounds of the property to perform a sex act.

The man is a real and present danger. No wonder that the occupant and her family are distressed and beside themselves.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-man-break-in-garden-womens-clothes-lowton-a8484461.html

It was a while ago Turph. I rang the police in a panic because my housemates were away for a couple of weeks, and this person rang and told me they'd been in our yard. "Were those your black underwear I took off the clothesline?"

I can still remember how terrified I was gathering my cats up from the yard and locking myself into the house.

The police said, "I suppose you could change your phone number."

That kind of behaviour from fetishists, isn't random I don't think. It is a sex crime.

womensvoicesmatter

Why it was that bastion of never telling the unsavoury truth about certain transgender people, The Guardian of course.

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The initial article said that Dean had been convicted of minor burglary offences.

It was edited subsequently to make reference to the voyeurism and breaking into teenage girls' homes and filming themselves wearing the girls' underwear.

But only after an outcry.

Dean has now ended their hunger strike. Never started it more like.

I was briefly in a sexual relationship with a man obsessed by forced feminisation fantasies and this stuff doesn't surprise me. The thrill of possibly being caught and publicly humiliated is a big part of the fetish.

Obviously there's a line between fantasising about this stuff and doing it for real but it's probably more common than people realise. I certainly had no idea about it before I met him.

Dance - you've just reminded me of a horrible incident when I was 17 and doing my A-levels. Not quite the same as in the OP - but stalking.

I started getting these dirty phone-calls - he was quite shameless, he'd ask for me by name if my mum or step-dad answered the phone. It would start off with him saying 'oh, do you remember me, I know xyz" or whatever - and then just launch into "X told me that if I give £25 you'd give me a pair of your dirty knickers" and such like. I always just put the phone straight down.

Then my parent & siblings went on hols, and I was alone in the house. He called - saying "As you're on your own tonight, I thought I'd come round and keep you company"

Well I was petrified, of course. I checked all the doors and windows - and we had dogs, so I called my mum, and then just went to bed I suppose I could've called the police. But I can't see what they would've done.

I never found out who he was - but he knew a lot about me. He was wanting to scare me, to disgust me, offend me. It's a violation. It stopped when I left for university.

How many other girls might he have done this too? Would he/did he escalate? I've always wondered who he was.

Doesn't a certain famous brave "woman of the year" admit to rifling through his daughter's underwear drawer and trying it in? And think it's a funny and brave anecdote.

Trying it on.

Well I'd call him a wanker who clearly as a lot of issues, I hope he gets court soon as he appears to need help and also removing from society to receive such help.

These types of chilling incidents will be hidden in the crime figures. The police in Wigan will record a "burglary", for instance.

It would take a lot more effort to probe and crunch the data with key words to find that, hidden in those crimes figures, there are men and boys who have a fetish for womens' clothes.

They will stop at nothing to satisfy their sexual appetites and take great risks.

The investigator was being coy. The newspapers were interested because they might have seen it as titillating. For me, it goes some way to explaining my fears when coming upon a weird looking man (with a five o'clock shadow and a slash of lipstick) in the Ladies.

It's the story of Red Riding Hood and the Wolf writ large in women's psyche.

How absolutely terrifying ToeToToe!

The thought that he knew you were alone makes me shudder.

I wonder just how many stories there are out there which have never been reported?

There is even a term for a man who steals women's underwear. It's 'snow-dropper'. I never hang my personal laundry where it could be seen from the outside. I know of women living alone who hang out men's underwear and clothing so not to identify that they live alone. I always bring my washing in at night not because it will get 'darked on' but because I'm scared it will tempt perverts.

Here's Marie Dean's list of crimes. The Guardian didn't mention any of the sexual aspects when they first wrote about the offender's "human rights" (because makeup is a human right? lol no) and only added it after complaints. A reader wouldn't suspect any sexual component to the crimes unless they spotted the unusually long sentence and googled for the offender's name. (And if the offender had chosen a name that didn't contain parts of h* prior name, googling for the offender wouldn't expose the sexual nature of the crime. This is why* some of them scream so loudly about "deadnaming".) Of course, people who've already read the article aren't going to go back and check for changes.

This is how misinformation about the "brave, vulnerable transwoman" in jail being victimised by the authorities gets spread: by omitting pertinent details of sexual crimes at reporting time, doing the minimum to fix the online edition when complaints are made, by which time print readers and regular online readers have seen the first version that lies by omission and made their opinions based on that. The Guardian are engaging in anti-woman propaganda by omitting the sexual parts of crimes committed by males who claim to identify as women and hence failing to report the severity and misogyny of those crimes.

I think an awful lot of women will have stories like ours, dance - and the majority will never be reported. It's just something women 'deal with' ? We're socialised not to make a fuss.

And yet we know these crimes escalate over time. And we know that police don't take them seriously.

When I think of the police time spent on that other thread here: the "so the police..." one - it makes me angry. All that police time spent on 'friends' having an argument over "TWAW"

There’s a local beauty spot where I walk the dogs where we regularly stumble on multiple different pairs of women’s pants in the secluded areas. They are clearly being nicked from the gardens that back on to this area and then taken away for outdoor wankfodder. It’s disgusting.
Also puts me in fear of being in those areas on my own. So thanks to these thieving fetishising wankers, women’s access to outdoor physical exercise and freedom of movement is also curtailed..

Shame on you Mumsnet for having an entire thread dedicated to kink shaming . . . . .

multiple different pairs of women’s pants in the secluded areas. They are clearly being nicked from the gardens that back on to this area

OMG and I just thought my mum and aunt were being prudish when they told me not to dry my knickers outside. I'm having a knicker census when I get home, to see if any have fallen victim.

Me too^ I still hang out my knickers, maybe I shouldn't
I had a neighbour who used to wank in his window when I went to bed. When I went to shut the curtains, there he was, most nights. Wearing his wife's dresses hitched up I must have been around 13 when it started.
I have no idea why we didn't call the police!

To a previous poster - think you mean this brave and stunning murderer Clare Darbyshire? Clare had a previous conviction for breaking into a house and wanking into a teenage girl's underwear.

www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-35774143

I had a neighbour who used to wank in his window when I went to bed.

I requested horizontal slatty blinds for my bedroom for similar reasons: there was a topless (or worse! thankfully his windowsill concealed him from the waist down) man who would stare at me out of his bedroom window when I was getting dressed pre-puberty. We didn't have nets and I didn't like pulling the curtain over and shutting all the natural light out (possibly an early indication of my SAD). Old-fashioned 60W filament bulbs don't dispel the darkness, they just turn it yellow.

Anyone thinking "just pull the curtain, get over it" is ignoring that we are talking about a grown man sexually intimidating a little girl. Anyone who stares at a child getting dressed is a pervert, end of.

Lancashire Telegraph's reporting
23rd May 2009
'Cross-dressing Burnley burglar jailed indefinitely'

(extract)
"Gary Dean Marie, 42, committed more than 30 offences, including voyeurism, aggravated burglary and assaulting police officers, a court heard yesterday.

Marie, of Lubbock Street, Burnley, was a sexual offender who broke into several homes and filmed himself wearing underwear belonging to teenage girls in Burnley and Padiham, Preston Crown Court was told." (continues)

"And they also revealed that more victims, both in East Lancashire and abroad, may also have been abused by Marie, who was born in the Channel Islands.

The court had earlier been told that plain clothes police officers arrested Marie at 3am in March last year after spotting him riding a bike in Padiham.

However, Marie, wearing dark clothing and a home-made balaclava, fled and fired CS gas, flooring three officers.

Eventually, he was arrested and was found to be carrying a mobile phone, a camera, keys, tools and sanitary towels. It was also revealed that the balaclava was a pair of women’s underwear.

Later, in custody, he was also found to be wearing a woman’s thong and a sports bra.

Meanwhile, images were found on the mobile phone and camera of Marie in bedrooms, dressed again in women’s underwear and performing sex acts on himself.

Detectives charged Marie with assault and going equipped and launched an investigation, involving newspaper coverage, to trace the bedrooms where the footage was filmed.

One house in the images was found to be the home of a woman and her 15-year-old daughter, whose bedroom Marie had filmed himself in.

Richard Haworth, prosecuting, said Marie was heard to say: “I hope you don’t mind me borrowing your underwear. They smell nice.”

The court was read impact statements from four of Marie’s victims, including the 15-year-old.

Nicholas Clarke, defending, said Marie’s pursuits were “entirely solo” and he had spoken to psychiatrists in a bid to “understand himself”.

Judge Stuart Baker said: “This is one of the most complex and difficult to understand cases that I have confronted in my period of service on the bench.

“Your victims undoubtedly regard you as being a dangerous man within the community and the sort of dangerous person that will give them every reason to be careful or worry when things go bump in the night.

“It is behaviour that anyone is bound to find chilling.” (continues)

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4390490.Cross_dressing_Burnley_and_Padiham_burglar_jailed_indefinitely/

The Padiham fetishist case

The judge found it complex. The references to seeking help are intended to elicit sympathy.

The thing that struck me about this case is that he was armed with CS gas and took down three police officers.

Planned, prepared, capable to extreme violence and using weapons - sorry, I can't downplay it at all and can understand the terror he inspired. I hope that the Victim Impact Statements were giving as much attention as possible in sentencing.

And "carrying sanitary towels", the Other

But there''s obviously no reason why we shouldn't share women's public loos with anyone who says that they are female, hey?

How is it complex? He's a common pervert and stalker, and proven to be violent and dangerous. Complex my arse.

I’ve twice been physically restrained by a strange man with his dick out, in two different cities almost two decades apart.
Both times the police attended immediately, because these are crimes that escalate. Neither time did a prosecution take place, despite in the second instance, the police appeared to know exactly who I was describing.

Anything non-consensual isn’t kink, it’s crime.

There’s a local beauty spot where I walk the dogs where we regularly stumble on multiple different pairs of women’s pants in the secluded areas

I am disgusted by this. I walk my dog in a wood where I often see loads of discarded knickers in the bushes. I admit I thought it was people going in the woods to shag and leaving their kecks behind, I often joked to DP that there must be a huge group of shaggers in there each weekend! Now I'm convinced it's sick fucking men stealing womens' pants and wanking into them

I was burgled when sharing a flat in the early 80s - they took some money, not much, and irreplaceable sentimental,value jewellery. We then noticed that they had also taken some lingerie from my flatmates room, a photo of her in a bikini and three big, expensive silk scarves of mine ( 80s fashion.......) . One of the scarves (Hermes, dammit) was screwed up beside my bed - the police gave it one look and said ‘I’d burn that, love ‘ and told us they had a fair idea of which particular little ‘pervy item’ might have been responsible. ( No DNA testing then but also no careful police speak !)

Ugh.