Scottish schoolkids to be taught to ‘choose their own gender’ in class

[Tinycitrus]

According to The Sun: It says that children need to “learn about what we mean by gender, that this is different from the sex we are assigned at birth”, and that “gender is about how we see and present ourselves in the world”.

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I’ haven’t seen the new guidance but it will
Become part of the Curriculum for Excellence and is aimed at children between five and nine.

It doesn’t make sense to me. Apparently it starts off explaining to children that girls and boys can all play football and cry etc (hurrah!)

But later will talk
About how we aren’t necessarily the gender we are assigned at birth.

But that doesn’t make sense. If we start out saying that gender stereotypes don’t matter because girls and boys can play football then what is the point of telling children they can choose a gender?

Surely the point is that there IS NO SUCH THING AS GENDER rather than reiterating the stereotypes but tell little kids that they can choose?

The problem is that all politicians have been caught on the hop with this and are just too scared to stand up to the bullying.
Under the guise of anti-bullying and anti-discrimination transgender groups have been invited into schools. The trouble is that they are not just talking about acceptance of transgender people. They are challenging the very basis of science and biology and literally gaslighting children into accepting the unacceptable - eroding boundaries and safeguarding all over the place.
Put this alongside the positioning of anyone as a bigot who objects to the penis being a female organ or who is concerned that the rainbow umbrella includes people who should not be allowed anywhere near children or women when they are vulnerable, and we have the perfect storm.
Until and unless politicians are able to front out the bullying TRA / organisations, and firmly insist that children and women are entitled to penis free spaces, there will be real harm happening. Safeguarding is NOT bigotry.

Safeguarding is NOT bigotry

Sums up my position on self ID beautifully.

What the unholy fuck do these people think they are doing?

I still want to know how these little kids choose their gender.

Ffs

This is so backwards.

Kids, let's have your toy and clothes choices. Right that means you go in this box.

What is the name of the box? Does it indicate, in any way, whether it's linked to being male or female??

What if my choices don't perfectly align with the box? What if I change my mind?

BACKWARDS.

Fucking glad I don't teach anymore.

If you look at the links between the TRAs in the Jess Bradley III thread then it might become more clear what the agenda is.

it looks like advice rather than a rule.

"It’s for schools to decide how they deliver RSHP education, based on the needs of the children or young people in their classroom.”

So the catholic schools will be giving this a wide berth although I hope they tackle gender stereotypes.

What a ridiculous waste of funding.
Lets go into schools and teach the kids something that is completely unecessary and confusing.
What a fucking joke.

We will be addressing this in the work we do. It is crazy to think you can at once say that gender is social stereotypes and innately what we are. These poor kids. This is basically indoctrinating them. They should not be taught genderist ideologies in schools full stop. The only thing schools should be doing in addition to ensuring they comply with the EA and the PSED is ending stereotyping, something that is clearly objectively harmful. And that's it.

Re Mhairi Black, she is a brilliant politician. She has got it wrong re gender identity though, but she also likes a lot of tweets that would be considered 100% t*. I think she, like most people, doesn't yet really understand/see what is happening.

Of all the various lies that adults tell children this may well be the most destructive. Labeling children deviant if they fail to conform to sex role stereotypes is child abuse plain and simple.

Ooh! Is Swedish multimillionaire genius supermodel a gender? If so, I've picked mine.

Ta.

They'd need to have a list, surely. FINALLY, we'll all know what we're supposed to be doing.

Is this a patriarchal reaction to us managing to begin to break down gender stereotypes in the first place?

Genuine question MNHQ, please don’t take me wrong.

Because I fit into hardly any female stereotypes beyond having the biological bits and that’s about it. I’m rubbish at the rest of it yet have never queried if I’m a man.

Because I fit into hardly any female stereotypes beyond having the biological bits and that’s about it. I’m rubbish at the rest of it yet have never queried if I’m a man.

You make a good point, YeTalkShiteHen - I'd be inclined to say the same about myself.

Good morning children.
Who can define 'triangle'?
No, Fred, a triangle isn't 'any shape I call a triangle'. Anyone else? Yes, Olivia?
That's right, a triangle is defined as "a shape with three straight sides and three angles."
How is a square different?
Correct Poppy, a square is defined as " a shape with four equal straight sides and four right angles." Well done.
Can you correctly identify the differences between these shapes now children? Of course you can.

Now, who can define 'gender', 'girl' and 'boy', so that we can all choose the one that applies to each of us?

Oh wait, that page seems to be missing from the curriculum...

If the Sun say so it must be true.

Actually I would endorse telling kids they can choose their gender identity or rather remove gendered roles (yes I'm of the boys can wear dresses and like pink if they want mentality).

But "choosing" your actually biological sex is an impossibility. Its a 1 time deal at birth, and to say otherwise is a fiction.

But scotsheather don’t you see the contradiction?

You first talk to children about gender stereotypes “girls can like football” “boys can show emotions such as sadness and love” great!

The you tell children they can choose a gender identity seperate from your biological sex. What on earth does that mean?

What do you give ‘I feel like a girl’ meaning without reinforcing gender stereotypes?

What do you give ‘I feel like a girl’ meaning without reinforcing gender stereotypes?

Exactly. Unless you identify, say, 10 genders (not the ones online, because almost all relate to sexual preference and you have sex with, when and how often).

So these 10 genders are, what? Likes football? Likes long hair? Pink?

Let's assume yes, something along those lines. And all those genders are named.

Presumably, wanting to be neutral, it will be something non-judgemental, like 1 to 10.

Then what?

Little Tommy is a three, because he likes football. Sarah is a five because she likes long hair. Joshua is a 10 because he likes football and long hair.

Then what?

It's a pointless waste of time to forcibly categorise people based on their preference over toys and clothes.

So what is the point? It must be to pigeonhole people into male or female. Depending on their preference.

Backwards, damaging, stereotypical claptrap.

This has reminded me of this thread from a few months ago:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101245-NHS-Transgender-guidance-for-schools

where this document was discussed:
www.centralsexualhealth.org/media/8009/guidance-for-schools-trans-gender-variance.pdf

Here's the advice for indoctrinating children with Additional Support Needs:
Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

OldCrone

I've read a lot of shit about this. But that one really, really got me.

Teach kids the backwards, bonkers concept gender, so you can tell them they're wrong.

Utterly cruel and insane.

Oh dear God, thank goodness I'm retiring soon as I'd be fired for sure.

As far as I know, every school currently has a policy about challenging stereotypes, encouraging girls in STEM subjects, etc. Everyone please download and keep a copy of this, because the new guidance will completely contradict it!

It's a pointless waste of time to forcibly categorise people based on their preference over toys and clothes.

It also assumes preferences are fixed forever! How many kids do we all know who loved e.g. football at seven but can't give a toss about it at 12? Who spent every waking minute nursing a doll at 3 but wouldn't know one end of a baby from the other at 13? My cousin was a gaming freak at 15 - but hasn't touched a console seriously in 20 years. What utter bollocks.

Exactly. We all relate differently to femininity & masculinity in different ways at different times as well as not relating to these norms, roles and traits imposed on women and men, in different ways at different times, because gender isn't fixed and is not innate. There is nothing essential about gender.

We are in the position where we have to challenge this on the level of ideology and directly. Women's orgs and children's orgs are parroting the same line that the only way we dismantle gender stereotypes is by taking on an ideology that says gender is innate, it's just not always determined by sex. It is not only not true, but it's incoherent as a position on gender and as we all know here only serves to further entrench stereotypes. Where I take heart is in the fact that feminists win this debate hands down, there is literally no basis for gender identity/innate gender, or indeed the idea that if gender is social, the way to dismantle that is to pretend it is innate (!).