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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Transphobic protesters" at Pride

38 replies

SadlyIneedtonamechange · 03/08/2018 16:31

I know this is old news now, and I'm just starting this thread as a bit of a rant (sorry) but I have just seen an article on my work intranet about "supporting the T in LGBT" and it has got me irritated.

It talks about Pride being disrupted by "transphobic protesters" but nothing at all on who they were or why they were protesting. This is in the context of an article posted by my work's LGBT+ Network.

Like I said, I don't expect to go over all the old ground again, but I just need to vent as I can't in real life.

(PS - namechanged for this as I doubt my GC views would go down well at work. I post fairly regularly on here not under this name)

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R0wantrees · 03/08/2018 16:33

There's been a concerted call for trans-allies.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 03/08/2018 16:39

The irony is that they had a lot of trans allies, a majority of whom were women such as myself. They managed to piss them off so mightily, with all of their demands, aggression and policing of language that those same women are now hugely GC and have become radfems. They've really shot themselves in the foot over this.

Ofew · 03/08/2018 16:40

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TransplantsArePlants · 03/08/2018 19:21

The fuss, publicity and lies about these 8 women is really extraordinary. The TRAs are pushing back hard. And because they are doing that it has drawn attention to them in ways I sincerely hope they come to regret

Agerbilatemycardigan · 03/08/2018 19:28

They even named Anne Ruzylo as one of the protesters. She wasn't even there!

The outright lies that were written about those women were appalling. I was cheering them on. I think they showed a lot of guts to do what they did.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/08/2018 19:29

Agreed they are alienating their allies faster than they can recruit them atm

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/08/2018 19:30

Doing a good job of recruiting for a reinvigorated women's liberation movement as well Smile

Agerbilatemycardigan · 03/08/2018 19:34

This is the issue that ignited my feminism. As things progressed I then became a radfem. 0-60 in 50 tweets Grin

heresyandwitchcraft · 03/08/2018 19:41

I just think the people who are pushing this agenda need to reintroduce some common sense, and start an actual discussion.
We all know that there is always going to be such a thing as biological sex - so we have to deal with it honestly. And males will always be different to females. So homosexuals should not be forced into rethinking their orientation to now include what would (in effect) be a form of heterosexuality (based on biological sex) or be called bigots.

SadlyIneedtonamechange · 03/08/2018 19:45

It was a shame to see this in my workplace. If I wasn't on MN I would think the protesters really were bigoted individuals who had a conservative and regressive agenda. Which was not the case at all.

And yes, lots of trans ally stuff on the intranet too.

Thanks for letting me vent!

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TransplantsArePlants · 03/08/2018 19:48

That's the other accusation:

We're all 'right wing'

No - lots of us a lefties who've woken up (in my case recently) to misogyny in every political party

Agerbilatemycardigan · 03/08/2018 19:51

I'm an ex Labour voter - now politically homeless thanks to their stance on the trans issue, plus the rampant antisemitism that's been displayed.

AncientLights · 03/08/2018 19:53

It's a while since I left the world of work but is that the sort of thing you would expect to have on your intranet now? Ok if you work for Stonewall or similar but in an organisation outside of that?

Turph · 03/08/2018 20:09

OP can you raise an anonymous grievance? Or call the whistleblower line, if your firm has one? Also, an email to the CEO is always worth a shot. Most CEOs don't like controversy and you may find the intranet page taken down fairly sharpish.
Don't email from work and use one of the ten minute mail services.

BlytheByName · 03/08/2018 20:17

Many trans activists have tried to assert that we (the 8 lesbians) who protested Pride have rallied those that disagree with us, and that somehow our protest failed. Once or twice online I almost thought they were right, but then a trickle of support became a stream, and then a river ...

Every day now, I see articles round the world or posts or tweets saying something along the lines of 'I see what those women at London. pride were saying now, because I notice that lesbian is being treated like a dirty word'.
The Anne Lister plague fiasco helped consolidated that message.
The silly pair in America who Magdalen Berns took down who discussed it, helped our message.

Discussing the very idea that lesbians don't want to be called queer is an achievement.

My fellow banner holder that controversially said LESBIAN=FEMALE HOMOSEXUAL has been doxxed online by no less than one of the Pride officials. She has very sensibly registered the behaviour as a hate crime, as have we all.

So even though the heat has been greater than the current weather, the behaviour towards us has been a perfect illustration and vindication of our protest.

Right now, lesbians are painting signs that say 'dykes against terfs' or 'lesbians against terfs'.
I have no hatred for them as they have for us, I feel sad for them, because they don't yet realise they've been duped. But they will.

Right now drag queens are sharing their irritation at trans activists for telling them they can't say they're men in dresses.
Since the protest a founder of Stonewall has written in the press that the organisation has lost it's way.
So the lgbtquiiaapqrst brigade may say they've seen us off, but they haven't, because the word is still spreading and it will go on spreading.
The 8 of us did something important that day.
And mumsnet helped to make me courageous enough to do it.

thebewilderness · 03/08/2018 20:25

It is illegal for your place of work to be promoting homophobia by publishing this kind of propaganda. I suggest you advise your personnel dept or supervisor that they are in violation of the law.

thebewilderness · 03/08/2018 20:26

Actually your business has a twofer violating the sex discrimination and sexual orientation protections in the Equality Act.

Turph · 03/08/2018 20:28

Thanks Blythe, I've got your back! Wine

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 03/08/2018 20:30

And thank you Blythe. You are AMAZING FlowersStarGin

newtlover · 03/08/2018 20:31

well done Blythe and your sisters too

catkind · 03/08/2018 20:33

Yes my workplace had similar. The corporate world is very involved with pride, much talk about "inclusion", jumping on the bandwagon by displaying rainbow versions of logos etc.

Clairetree1 · 03/08/2018 20:38

I was at pride.

well done

well done

well done

and thank you

littlbrowndog · 03/08/2018 20:39

Blythe.

Strong courageous all of u 👏👏👏👏👏

Melamin · 03/08/2018 20:49

Well done 8 amazing women!

You even got a mention on the R4 PM piece from the Pride organiser in Brighton who was sure you were coming to disrupt the Transpride Hmm They don't seem to understand that lesbians need to keep their own rights! It is all about them.

heresyandwitchcraft · 03/08/2018 20:54

The 8 of us did something important that day.

Yes you did. Thank you, each and every one of you, from the bottom of my heart.
Thank you Blythe.

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