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Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii

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MipMipMip · 03/08/2018 13:54

There doesnt seem to be another part 3 coming up si here goes.

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borntobequiet · 04/08/2018 20:24

That Ada is nuts, judging by the writing.
I’m sure the connection with Ada Lovelace and trans people (esp geeky ones) has been mentioned before, but decided to google - hadn’t noticed the “fairy” stuff previously, or that Byron was disappointed to have a daughter rather than a son.
en.rm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace

TimeLady · 04/08/2018 20:35

Ada writes on 20 March

Down on the ground, a few of us are sitting around the kitchen table, chopping onions(onions are good. Even vegans eat them) and rolling bandages for the women who will fall. The war doesn’t matter, really. What matters is that soon, a broken trans women will fall, surrounded by her armies, scared and battered, and will need a couch, some tea, and someone to talk to.
Maybe they were truly evil. Maybe they’re a danger to us. But evil is not something that can be divined by their fall, and we know how to protect ourselves.`

H'mmm…….

thebewilderness · 04/08/2018 20:42

There is a lot of money involved, I had no idea how much until I googled. What's the (verifiable) link between porn and TRAs though

Stripping women and children of safekeeping laws, legalizing pornstitution. You will find the same transgenders promoting each of these "causes" but the way to be sure is to follow the money.
If you have a tumblr account you already know more than you ever wanted to about "shemale porn", and if you do not check your followers to block and report porn sites I am sorry to tell you that they are using your page for validation connections.

thebewilderness · 04/08/2018 20:51

The most notorious of the tweets was this (there are screenshots)

"imagine if twenty people had punched terfs

Imagine if every one had left bruised and bloodied

Every one would stop organising."

Men have been telling one another this zombie lie for hundreds of years,
and still we rise.

BirthCanal · 04/08/2018 22:15

Increasingly when I search for stuff relevant to the GRA I seem to get paragraphs directing me to shemale wankthrustingprettytranspornoharddickheadblowjobsworth I simply don't get it.

heresyandwitchcraft · 04/08/2018 22:21

Also, let's not forget that Jess Bradley was arrested for protesting against gay police being present as part of the Glasgow Pride in 2017.

The tone of this article by Jane Fae strikes me as potentially supportive of JB:

This issue was replayed twice over in Glasgow this weekend where – massive red flag – the Pride organisers did not just invite police to join the march, but decided it should be led by a police marching band. The first is broadly OK. The second is edgy, edgy, edgy.

What followed was nearly inevitable. As in London, a more radical group styling itself Free Pride Glasgow, and including NUS Trans Officer Jess Bradley, decided to “reclaim Pride” by inserting itself at the front of the parade. Unlike London, the Glasgow Pride organisers had already warned that groups and individuals taking issue with others on the march would be banned. Sainsbury’s Pride, anyone?
.....
According to the police event commander, Chief Inspector Alan Bowater: "Numerous complaints were made from members of the public and organisers of the event in reference to the banner, which was described as offensive and inappropriate.” This apparently justified both the police response and charging that individual with a homophobic hate crime.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/glasgow-pride-police-arrests-five-people-protestors-carrying-a-sign-lgbt-community-threatened-a7907141.html

JB was arrested together with their partner - Rob Noon (noonbinary), who is currently the Full Time Officer in the LGBT+ NUS Committee.
They appear to have connections to Antifa and the radical far left. This connection, in my mind, is worth keeping in mind as well, because this ideology (abolition of prisons, anti-police, etc), is really nothing to do with actual transgender (transsexual) rights.

I really like Rose of Dawn's analysis of this, and her work on the Trans conference.

Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii
Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii
Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii
BirthCanal · 04/08/2018 22:26

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heresyandwitchcraft · 04/08/2018 22:38

Apart from it confirms my belief that trans persons (apart from genuine transexuals and misguided youth) are a bunch of fetishistic pornoadled autogynaphiles.

I take issue with such generalizations, although I appreciate your caveats. There appears to potentially be a questionable side to some trans activists. We must remember that it's cruel and dishonest to smear everyone with the same brush, and I think it's more about a movement being exploited by bad actors or bad ideas rather than anything to do with "trans people" as such.

Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii
heresyandwitchcraft · 04/08/2018 22:38

Sorry, that last screenshot is irrelevant.

theOtherPamAyres · 04/08/2018 22:53

There is an hilarious clip (40 seconds) on Youtube of the Glasgow pride protest. Jess has a purple rucksack on her back.

Having read her dramatic account of bravery in the face of police brutality, I was a bit disappointed to see that the reality was somewhat different.

The pushing and shoving and pipe band are funny though. Grin

heresyandwitchcraft · 04/08/2018 22:54

I was just trying to work out who Jess Bradley has been endorsing for the NUS, as it strikes me she would seek out like minds. Like someone mentioned, the initial whistleblowing may all be related to internal politics. But nobody should not be tarnished purely by association, of course, and we don't know what the outcome of this investigation will be yet.

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 04/08/2018 22:57

we don't know what the outcome of this investigation will be yet

We may never know, other than JB stays in post - or doesn't. I don't think the NUS has any requirement to say anything publicly - does anyone know?

heresyandwitchcraft · 04/08/2018 22:58

theOtherPamAyres
There's so much drama to all this discourse, isn't there?

heresyandwitchcraft · 04/08/2018 23:00

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit

That is a frustrating, but excellent point.

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 04/08/2018 23:20

They appear to have connections to Antifa and the radical far left

A lot of the TRAs seem to have connections to Antifa. That's where the whole "punch a TERF" stuff comes from - it's from the Antifa "punch a Nazi".

This isn't anything to do with JB as it's US based, but a good article explaining the link in ideologies TransDykes: The Anti-Lesbian Antifa

Back on UK soil, Tara Wolf's mates are Antifa / Class War (Ian Bone, Class War founder was with Tara at the trial for example).

theOtherPamAyres · 04/08/2018 23:36

I am delighted that journalists are keeping their powder dry during the media's Silly Season - where stories come to the fore to fill in gaps while Parliament is in recess, but run their course.

I'm delighted that Jess hasn't resigned and withdrawn from public view until the whole thing blows over. It would be even better if she could keep her job and remain high profile. Whatever the outcome the decision about employment/resignation will make news.

Whether the story is written next month or when the consultation is taking place, or when MPs consider GRA legislation, or when the Lords deliberate - I don't mind. The further along the path, the better.

Jess Bradley is Exhibit A in the trial of a government that took her written and oral evidence so seriously that they considered handing the keys of women's spaces to men with unusual sexual appetites.

And we won't let the Government forget it.

heresyandwitchcraft · 05/08/2018 00:03

Just wanted to share another tidbit from the Main "Action for Trans Health" Facebook group if it hasn't been posted already. They appear to be endorsing a campaign to release of a trans prisoner named Claire Taylor (I believe biologically female), saying they are being held under an "outdated" IPP law.

If it's the Claire Taylor that comes up in the newspaper - they were sent to prison for entering the home of a 90 year old woman and attacking her with a knife... The judge ruled that Claire was a dangerous offender and handed her an indeterminate sentence for public protection. Admittedly, that was some time ago now, and it must be frustrating to not have a release date, but I don't think we should minimize the crime:

Detective Constable Pete Lavin, of Gosport CID, who led the investigation, said: 'Claire Taylor has shown no remorse.

'It was a wicked and premeditated attack on an elderly, frail lady of 90 years of age in her own home.

'One can only begin to imagine how terrified she must have been to be confronted by somebody with a knife.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256894/Caught-CCTV-The-moment-wicked-teenage-girl-threatened-knife-terrified-great-grandmother.html

Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii
jungle723 · 05/08/2018 00:10

I'm new to Mumsnet (been a radical feminist on Twitter for years) and just starting to catch up on what's happening here. This thread is fantastic.

One thing, though - screenshots aren't enough. We should be archiving important tweets. TRAs can always claim screenshots have been doctored but archived pages are an externally hosted copy of the page as it existed at a particular moment in time.

I've found archive.fo works best for Twitter.

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 05/08/2018 00:17

jungle723 very useful and interesting point, thanks. Do you know if the same works for Facebook posts / pages?

And - welcome to Mumsnet! :)

Ereshkigal · 05/08/2018 00:30

Not Twitter but all UK news sites and sometimes their Twitter/FB links have been archived daily or weekly since 2013

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/search/non-printlegall_deposit.html

What happened in April 2013?Legal deposit regulations for non-print materials were introduced in April 2013.
These regulations empower the British Library and the UK legal deposit libraries to collect, store and preserve the nation's memory in the digital age. The content will include online articles and books, and websites.

What is excluded from the legislation? Social media content, such as from Twitter and Facebook, is part of the legislation and therefore can be collected by the Library. Private messages sent via Facebook and Twitter, however, are excluded and so is not collected. In addition, the content of pure video streaming sites, such as YouTube, also falls outside the legislation.

Huttoneer · 05/08/2018 02:04

Joined Mumsnet because of your sterling work. Well done wimmz . Excellent detective work.

NotMeOhNo · 05/08/2018 03:46

Amazing research. I'm just trying to get my head around it. So is it accurate to say that those who were actively involved in promoting, normalising and legalising rape simulation (bdsm) ten years ago are now key players in eradicating female only spaces?

jungle723 · 05/08/2018 08:04

Thanks, raisinsarenottheonlyfruit Smile I haven't tried to archive Facebook posts but, as long as they're public, I can't see why it wouldn't work.

NotTerfNorCis · 05/08/2018 08:46

Ada Cable said during the NUS Trans conference that transmasculine people (natal women who identify as male) shouldn't play a role in trans activism.

Cable is pretty hard line and often an entertaining read. My favourite moment was when they were building up the idea that feminists are 'warped bigots' who must be confronted 'without mercy' - bearing in mind that Cable was actively supporting Tara Wood at this point - before revealing that their own contribution was 'I alone have made hundreds of cups of tea providing support'. They also offer medical assistance in case of trouble at protests. You can see Cable on Twitter here: twitter.com/drcab1e