Stonewall report into domestic and violent services

[Bronners78]

I have just come across this report by Stonewall into supporting trans women in domestic and violent services.

I know this is often a concern of those on these boards regarding risks with trans service users, but the report confirms that service providers are taking reasonable steps to protect all concerned.

Well worth a read 😊

www.stonewall.org.uk/supporting-trans-women-domestic-and-sexual-violence-services

Also - this report really reads as a concerted effort on the part of Stonewall to get rid of sex-based exemptions in the most delicate of circumstances!

James Kirkup collated some of the evidence re attempts/intention to remove sex from Equalities Act in twitter thread, this includes Stonewall's position:

"Some facts about the events that preceded the Government statement here that the coming consultation on the Gender Recognition Act will be narrowly drawn and not affect the Equality Act’s single sex exemptions.

I offer these facts because some are claiming “there was never any question of removing/amending EA exceptions.” Those claims are either mistaken or dishonest.

August 2015
Stonewall submission to the Women & Equalities Select Committee says MPs should amend the EA to
“remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces”

(continues)
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004635839480164352.html

Stonewall could put its money where its mouth is and test whether men (who identify as women) are being unfairly discriminated against because of their sex. Sex is a protected characteristic for men, too

If the 'experts' have no problem with unisex provision; if there are risk assessments in place; and if the provision is already being offered, then you have to ask why Stonewall hasn't pursued a case of unfair discrimination on the grounds of sex under the Equality Act?

Also, as I've been out today and pondering further, the way this is being presented is that it's motivated, not by a genuine concern for the issues that GC campaigners have been raised, (because if it had, they would have been thorough and spoken to service users) but as a PR exercise to shut down this line of questioning.

The next time someone raises the issue, the link to this report will be wheeled out with an airy wave of the hand and fingers will be placed in ears again.

Smug, and devoid of genuine professional care or compassion.

Their next report could examine whether trans people are unfairly discriminated against using the excellent research methodology of asking people 'do you discriminate unfairly against trans people?'

Yes. Excellent. I'm going to set up a charity doing lots of important research which will consist of asking "Are you a meanie or a nice person?" It will be groundbreaking.

The usual TRA suspects have decided that the data is all and we are trying to hide the results. This is an objectively poor survey. Not that any of those thick fuckers would know.

The usual TRA suspects have decided that the data is all and we are trying to hide the results. This is an objectively poor survey. Not that any of those thick fuckers would know.

A greater concern of mine is the possibility that the people in power actually DO know exactly what they're doing... Everyone else just goes along with it.

Research by the Equality and Human Rights Commission showed that 95% of women using women’s services preferred to receive them from a women only-organisation.

YY. But I expect certain commentators will claim that all those women included MTF trans in their description of women. Which is nonsense, but there you go. They are deluded. They really don't realise that outside the pomo bubble people don't buy it.

Kristina Harrison's speech at WPUK Hastings is worth watching.

A Woman's Place has published a rejoinder to the so-called research.

Stonewall Report: Disingenuous or Gaslighting?

womansplaceuk.org/stonewall-report-disingenuous-or-gaslighting/

Great blog Pam, thank you.

I’m sorry to break it to you, and this may come as a shock to some, but no matter how much you agree with the ideological stance that ‘trans women are women’ a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence may never see that trans woman as a woman. In the same way that other ideologies work, like religion, they don’t speak for everyone and not everyone signs up to them, nor should anyone ever have to.

Should survivors really have to agree with an ideology, in a space that is meant to be reserved for them? Are we really honestly asking, telling and prescribing to survivors of male violence that they now have to see a trans woman as a woman? Are we actually telling them to swallow their fears, their flash backs and their trauma in order to accommodate an ideology they don’t agree with whilst simultaneously calling them transphobic?

YY. But I expect certain commentators will claim that all those women included MTF trans in their description of women. Which is nonsense, but there you go. They are deluded. They really don't realise that outside the pomo bubble people don't buy it.

They need to ask the women who use their service about this, in a sensitive, honest and open way that makes it clear what they are actially talking about.

These women aren't going to know about the GRA consultation let alone understand from the ridiculous questions and briefing the impact it will have in them.

They are being failed by their support organisations and the government.

Going to read the report.

It starts out like this:

"Domestic and sexual violence is a gendered phenomenon, with women at disproportionate risk:
• One in four women (27 per cent) experience domestic violence in their lifetime (Office for National
Statistics, 2016)
• One in five women aged 16-59 has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16 (Ministry
of Justice, Office for National Statistics and Home Office, 2013)
• Two women are killed each week by a current or former partner in England and Wales (Office for National
Statistics, 2016)"

How are they defining woman? I'll check if there's a glossary.

There aren't any definitions therefore the above stats are meaningless.

Thanks for that link Pam

Regarding the tweet from Ruth Hunt:

'I trust the experts.'

This is blatantly a reference to Brexit. The disaster looming that is Brexit is due in part because of the Gove quote of not trusting experts. This does not equate or conflate with vulnerable women and children who have fled domestic violence to seek shelter.

'We commissioned research and interviewed them.' No bias there then? In other words people were paid to research this and were then interviewed.

Did Stonewall share the definition of trans before they asked the people to comment?

"An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois."

If they do a GG on shelters (these ones are for female gendered people) then it will again mean that lots of cunty people cannot access the service without lying (saying that they believe in internal gender ID, that they have one, and that it is feminine, their very soul is feminine).