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Women are not at risk from men, apparently....

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IJustHadToNameChange · 02/08/2018 17:51

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/no-women-arent-at-risk-from-men/21648#.W2M1ttPTU0N

According to the Associate Editor of Spiked! online magazine, Joanna Williams, we're not at risk, as so many feminists are in positions of power now.

Anyone else wondering if Joanna Williams is a nom de plume for a bloke?

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Jaxhog · 02/08/2018 17:57

Gosh, tell that to the Asian girls being taken away against their will to be married and raped by older men. Or the women beaten up and broken by their partners. Or the young girls who are groomed and repeatedly raped by pedophiles...

If Joanna isn't a bloke, she should be ashamed of being a woman.

UpstartCrow · 02/08/2018 17:59

Phew! I'm so glad having a few women in minor positions has finally sorted this one out.
Pity our own dear Queen didn't think of this a few decades back. Who knew, if she had just declared himself as a Feminist, so many lives could have been saved!

Melamin · 02/08/2018 18:00

Well, that would be nice Smile

NotTerfNorCis · 02/08/2018 18:01

I read her book about censorship. It was good in places, but her lack of empathy towards people who are bullied was nauseating. No prizes for guessing whose side she was on in the schoolyard.

TheBatPig · 02/08/2018 18:02

I think she is female. Was on a tv discussion with Jess Phillips a while ago which is available on youtube. And I think wrote a book, women vs feminism in 2017. She's also on twitter now saying women cling onto victim status as a way of justifying our positions.

IAmInsignificunt · 02/08/2018 18:04

That’s such exciting news!
And yet only last night myself and two other colleagues had our breasts grabbed at work (surprise, surprise by a man) and we were encouraged not to get security or the police involved because it would take us away from a busy night shift. So safe.

HotRocker · 02/08/2018 18:04

I guess some people are so privileged that they never have to experience any poor treatment by men. Lucky them, but unfortunately the majority of us do.

IAmInsignificunt · 02/08/2018 18:05

Also, have we found our midnight misogynist friend?

SlothSlothSloth · 02/08/2018 18:20

Isn’t spiked a libertarian publication? This would therefore be a totally expected view for their staff. I think Claire Fox works there and she has form for basically saying stuff not too far removed from this.

While it’s tempting to believe people like this are always really men, the sad truth is many, many women would agree with her.

womanspeaking · 02/08/2018 18:28

Here's the Times big investigation today detailing the risks that many women face from men in their communities:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/forced-marriage-jailed-father-said-he-would-chop-her-up-in-18-seconds-pr8mkj8fm?shareToken=ea13c9fa6c69ed8fde5082e199272213

LastOneDancing · 02/08/2018 18:33

I don't understand the comments? As in, I literally can't understand some of them.

They're banging on about how feminists don't condemn Pakistani rape gangs?? Wtf? Is their point that white men are 'only' letching and threatening violence that's ok because BME men are worse??

My mind is boggling.

LastOneDancing · 02/08/2018 18:42

Comments in the article I mean Confused not on this thread.

nauticant · 02/08/2018 18:47

Isn’t spiked a libertarian publication?

Spiked can do the stopped-clock-is-right-twice-a-day routine but it's best not to lose sight of how barking it can be:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiked_(magazine)

The magazine was founded in 2000 after the bankruptcy of its predecessor, Living Marxism (LM) - this was after the predecessor publication accused ITN of lying over war atrocities in the Yugoslav war, as far as Spiked were concerned (on astonishingly flimsy but self-serving evidence) the internment camps and the mass killings there apparently were fabrications.

nauticant · 02/08/2018 18:50

Sorry, I got that wrong:

as far as Spiked LM were concerned

OvaHere · 02/08/2018 18:52

They seem to operate on a contribution model, I believe anyone can submit for consideration.

They have some decent articles sometimes and some that make me go WTF but I suppose you are going to get that with a range of viewpoints.

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IJustHadToNameChange · 02/08/2018 18:56

Seriously?

That's a woman?

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nauticant · 02/08/2018 18:59

Yes. I used to be dismissive of Spiked but lately I'm much more aware of the value of there being a plurality of viewpoints in the media. I'm more willing to judge articles according to the content rather than their source. But I do like to have an awareness of the sources so I can know if they have a history of coming out with bonkers stuff.

ElenOfTheWays · 02/08/2018 18:59

Well. I don't know what world she's living in, but it's not the same one I live in at all. She sounds like a crazy person to me.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 02/08/2018 19:06

I've found that too many women who've benefited from previous feminist endeavours and are rich and secure enough to have never faced the prejudice and abuse that affect so many less fortunate women are dismissive. I'm afraid I was pretty glib myself until the reality of the impact of pregnancy, child-care etc on my career made me adjust my world view.

My lovely daughter told me today that she's been telling her equally privileged friends that the feminist struggle is real and necessary. Proud of her but upset that they, apparently, think that it isn't.

FloralBunting · 02/08/2018 19:08

Honestly my dears, I am so familiar with women being vocally anti-feminist this isn't at all surprising.
It's very much coming from a position of privilege - and the vocalising if these views often confers even more privilege for the woman who prepared to turn a blind eye for the sake of high status among her male colleagues and friends.
I remember so many articles I wrote ripping feminism to shreds and the approval I got from my male acquaintances was very gratifying and affirming. It made me feel even safer, tbh, which I now realize was because I had deflected negative attention away from myself and onto other women.

JackyHolyoake · 02/08/2018 19:26

IJustHadToNameChange

Joanna Williams is Director of the Centre for the Study of Higher Education at the University of Kent, UK and Education Editor for Spiked Online. She has previously published Consuming Higher Education: Why Learning Can't be Bought.

joannawilliams.org/

flintyminty · 02/08/2018 19:26

This tweet sums it up nicely:

"This is a classic case of women who have attained a level of relative entitlement and equality that the majority of women simply do not experience and probably never will, drawing the ladder up behind them to placate the males they depend on to allow to keep all that privilege."

Women are not at risk from men, apparently....
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IJustHadToNameChange · 02/08/2018 19:28

😱

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thebewilderness · 02/08/2018 19:38

More and more MRAs identify as feminists so that they can secure jobs in the media advocating for everyone except women.

Ereshkigal · 02/08/2018 20:14

This is a classic case of women who have attained a level of relative entitlement and equality that the majority of women simply do not experience and probably never will, drawing the ladder up behind them to placate the males they depend on to allow to keep all that privilege."

YY. The libertarians like Harris do it and so do the identitarians, witness that entire shameful Fawcett Society panel.