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Vunerabilities of Looked After Children, Social Work & CP restricted by affirmation requirement? Trans Youth in Care Toolkit

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R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 11:50

Jessica Eaton's comment:

'every week social workers approach me about traumatised kids after abuse and trauma suddenly identifying as trans and SW being told to just affirm it rather than working through the trauma'

Jessica's comments referenced by ThatDoctorEM along with her own work on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324391-Paedophile-expert-warns-of-transitioning-as-a-ploy

I have started a new thread in order to specifically focus on the possible serious consequences for vulnerable looked after children & statuatory corporate parenting responsibilities

See resources including video and leaflet for young people in care and toolkit 'Trans Youth in Care - a Toolkit for Caring Professionals'
www.lgbtyouthincare.com/trans-youth-in-care-resources/

[[www.lgbtyouthincare.com]]

These resources seem to have mostly been generated in Manchester supported by Tara Hewitt (TELI UCSM), Three cIrcles Fostering (Wilmslow), The Proud Trust (patrons incl prominant TRAs Stephen Whittle & Christine Burns)
www.theproudtrust.org/about-us/our-patrons/

With additional acknowledged support from Mermaids & GIRES.

The Toolkit (publ 2017) seems heavily based on Allsorts Toolkit but has additional content due to the focus being children in care.
aspects of Allsorts Toolkit have been questioned and there are then I believe additional questions to ask of some of the content of this publication

Chronology (from resource)
"In 2014 Jacob Sibley (director, Three Circles Fostering) and Andrew (the LGBT foundation) completed a consultation on the experiences of LGBT people in care. Their findings helped produce a resource
entitled 'Supporting Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans Young People - Information for Foster Carers’. During May 2016 Three Circles Fostering met with some individuals who highlighted the need for more training and awareness specifically for care professionals in how to support and care for trans young people in care.
From this, Charlotte Andrew (NT&AS), Sage Aalto (Three Circles Fostering), Tara Hewitt (NHS Equalities lead) and Jacob Sibley
(Three Circles Fostering) completed a consultation with The Proud Trust Afternoon Tea group in September 2016 and with care leavers and individuals at the Sparkle event in Manchester July 2016.
A resource titled ‘trans youth in Foster Care- know your rights’ was produced which is hoped to be shared with all young people in care nationwide, this can be viewed at www.lgbtyouthincare.com.
F i n a l l y, a t o o l k i t t o i n f o r m c a r e professionals working with Trans young people, to ensure positive outcomes has been produced."

leaflet for looked after children

Toolkit for professionals

video 'Trans Youth in Care: Know Your Rights'

Vunerabilities of Looked After Children, Social Work & CP restricted by affirmation requirement? Trans Youth in Care Toolkit
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Vunerabilities of Looked After Children, Social Work & CP restricted by affirmation requirement? Trans Youth in Care Toolkit
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R0wantrees · 13/05/2019 09:03

Guardian:

The service has been struggling to contain the fallout from an internal report by Dr David Bell, written in his capacity as then staff governor, which warned that “the GIDS service as it now functions [is] not fit for purpose and children’s ends are being met in a woeful, inadequate manner and some will live on with the damaging consequences”.

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In his report, which was submitted to the trust’s board earlier this month and whose findings were first reported in the Observer last year, Bell expressed concern that the service was failing to fully consider psychological and social factors in a young person’s background – such as whether they had been abused, suffered a bereavement or had autism – which might influence their decision to transition. Such views are dismissed by many transgender rights activists who believe they play little, if any, part in a person’s desire to transition. (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/23/child-transgender-service-governor-quits-chaos

Whistle blown serious Safeguarding, Duy of Care & ethical concerns by senior professionals:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518188-BMJ-Prof-Carl-Heneghan-Evidence-Based-Medicine-Oxford-Panorama-Trans-Kids-Gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-Evidence-review-concludes-There-are-significant-problems

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3515980-Times-article-Governor-quits-blinkered-Tavistock-clinic

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3517199-R4-Today-about-the-Tavistock-report-resignation

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145612-Tavistock-psychologist-is-worried-about-rush-to-label-kids-as-trans

See important panel at the House of Lords this week discussing these serious issues with appropriate treatment of vulnerable children:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3583824-Let-your-MP-know-about-this-asap

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R0wantrees · 13/05/2019 09:52

Relevent Irish Case concerning a young person in care greatly impacted by extreme childhood abuse, neglect and trauma.

www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IECA/2019/CA109.html

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 13/05/2019 22:49

Rowan
Ive Read tjrougjt that whole case, I'm not sure in understand everything that's written. It's very sad and so complicated. Am I correct in saying G will stay in a special unit and will receive therapies, counselling, when needed and that at some stage gender reassignment could be considered?

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 13/05/2019 22:57

Sorry Ro, that's not in there at all. So it seems to me that they are not taking gender dysphoria into account as such in this case? Is that correct?

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 13/05/2019 23:01

Professor Kennedy expressed the view that gender reassignment has no place to play in the management of suicide in G.'s case found it here.

R0wantrees · 14/05/2019 09:40

Violent incident in female estate.
Relevent factors reported include the signifcant impact of abuse in childhood & being taken into Care as a teenage girl.

Adult gender 'transition' started F2M

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/frenzied-prisoner-strangles-guard-during-2863759

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R0wantrees · 02/05/2020 17:36

Twitter thread by STILLTish about Children in Care identified as transgender & the targetted 'resources' from www.lgbtyouthincare.com/lgb

(extract)
"After watching a Gender identity specialist (Vancouver) boasting that 50% (500) of his “clients” came from the care system I became alarmed. Unstable Identity issues would surely be higher in foster kids? Came across this 👇. Saw who advised them and alarm bells rang.
(see pic)

One of these people is on record saying parents, who don’t “affirm”, are a safeguarding risk. Any advocacy group,who focusses on isolating & alienating kids from their parents raises red flags.

Didn’t take long for suicide narrative to appear.Mermaids & Stonewall tend to go with 48% (debunked) not to be out done here we are on a whopping 84%! Do any of these organisations not pause, question & do some research?

Source. Scottish Trans alliance, GIDs themselves say the suicide rate is no higher than for any other referrals to mental health services. Maybe if you all stopped going on about suicide?
Note JAMES is not above encouraging “reporting”, see below.We need the stats 👇
(see thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3829786-James-Morton-scottish-trans-alliance-quote )

Growing referrals to the Tavistock concern me. Ideologues see this as a growth sector/market.Why are we sending three year olds to the Tavistock? 3% are trans according to GIRES. Actually it’s closer to 100% as the definitions are anyone who is not a walking sex stereotype.

The booklet recommends proactively engaging with the kids about their “Gender Identity”, Pronouns etc. Also weeding out unbelievers by questions, at interview, for foster parents. Most sinister of all it makes it clear that this is about “educating the masses”. Actual Quote!

Any bewildered foster parents are helpfully signposted to the infamous Gingerbread tool. Sexual orientation based on “gender”. There’s a label,for anyone not Ken or Barbie. There’s some sinister notes about legal recourse for resistant parents. Also a handy planner!

Here’s a guide to pronouns & terminology for the confused. (You will be). What the f* is a spivak? Naturally sex is now “assigned” and “Cis” labelling (against our will) is nevertheless illustrative of our “privilege”

More practical ideas about “kit” follows. These are things your trans kids need to be their “authentic self”. Includes chicken fillets in your bra, hip & buttock padding (cos we are all Kim Kardashian) & a Packer for the penis envy.

Transition can mean anything. Nobody regrets it because they don’t reverse the irreversible. Nobody has to reveal their Identify even though you will be punished for getting it wrong. Surgical changes are not necessary, access to an “affirming” bathroom is.

This is one of the people who,advised on the best way to look,after vulnerable kids, with disrupted childhoods, and likely to be more susceptible to a search for an “identity” & a “tribe”. This entire document is a grooming manual. (continues)

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1256510224715915264.html

Vunerabilities of Looked After Children, Social Work & CP restricted by affirmation requirement? Trans Youth in Care Toolkit
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R0wantrees · 02/05/2020 17:45

STILLTish, "It was this YouTube on Vancouver Foster kids that made me look at the U.K. @ ghostjenn"

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1256560117312557057

'Jenn Smith 191011 FFFA Interview and Press Release Regarding Mass Transitioning of Foster Children'
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=w9tww441tDk&feature=emb_logo

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Porridgeoat · 02/05/2020 22:06

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OvaHere · 02/05/2020 22:17

I remember reading the stuff about foster care. I'm sure there was a Dr who raised the same issue about the US system too (his name escapes me at the minute).

R0wantrees · 19/06/2020 01:01

BBC 2 Newsnight today investigated serious alleged Safeguarding failures at NHS Tavistock GIDS

During the program Dr Sarah Davidson was named (with others including service lead Dr Polly Carmichael) as responsible for referring some children to the medical pathway within an hour. The service protocol stipulates 3-6 sessions as being usual.
Failures to refer to the trust's Safeguarding Lead were also reported by former staff.

2016 interview with Dr Sarah Davidson & Susie Green (CEO Mermaids charity) raises very serious concerns about the extent to which Looked After Children may have been failed by both NHS & Social Services under undue influence from TRAs.

Children & Young People Now
COURT RULING UNCOVERS KNOWLEDGE GAP IN GENDER IDENTITY PRACTICE
Derren Hayes
December 6, 2016

(extract)
"Dr Sarah Davidson, consultant clinical psychologist at GIDS, says the rise in referrals to the service reflect the fact that "an increasing number of young people are not happy with their gender".

Of the case in the recent High Court ruling, Dr Davidson says it highlights the fine line between a parent supporting a child and influencing their decisions.

"The idea I have is that the mother was very supportive of [the boy] presenting a wish of identification, but over time that [identity] had changed and the mother hadn't kept up with that," she explains.

"Frequently a young person presents saying they don't want to be in this body, and both parents support that.

"Sometimes you see parents respond in a very polarised way, where one will feel very strongly about supporting the child's wishes and the other will disagree."

Dr Davidson says that local authority social workers will often encounter "gender variant or diverse youth" when they are working with looked-after children, and she says that it is important for professionals to keep an open mind on how to best manage the kind of issues that may arise.

Unlike the circumstances in the High Court case, the greater problem is that some social workers are not prepared to recognise gender dysphoria in children, particularly in under-10s, according to Susie Green, chief executive of Mermaids, a charity that raises awareness of gender identity issues.

"You get two different social workers: one is accepting and will be open minded, and others who think families must be making it happen," Green says.

"The younger the child, the more likely the family will get a social worker who doesn't recognise the issue."

Green says too often professionals make decisions based on personal opinions and instinct rather than knowledge. This creates the potential for practitioners to be influenced by often negative comments "seen in newspapers and on social media".

She explains that social workers often get involved in gender dysphoria cases where parents disagree over whether to support a child. If this leads to separation, one parent may report their concerns over the child's sexual identity to social services.

"If social services is informed that a child is being mistreated, they have to look at that, it can't be ignored," Green says.

"We have had parents who have been reported by their ex-partners and been investigated by social services. The threat of a social services investigation can be very scary. If a social worker is sceptical, the parent is placed in a difficult position over whether to support the child but [risk] being accused of abuse.

"A social worker's attitude can make or break a case."

Green is concerned that Justice Hayden's criticism of the social worker in the High Court ruling, and his recommendation for a review of how children's services manage gender identity cases, will lead to more professionals taking a sceptical stance in the future.

"The likelihood is that they will spend longer looking into somebody because of the judge's criticism," she says. "Professionals now may say ‘we need to look a bit closer', which means families will have greater scrutiny."

With most social workers not being trained in gender dysphoria, Green is concerned about the impact that closer scrutiny could have on children and young people struggling with their gender identity.

The answer, she says, is for those in practice and undergraduates on social work degree courses to be educated on the issue.

Mermaids runs training courses for groups of professionals aimed at raising awareness of gender identity. Cases are reviewed, agencies' responsibilities under the Equalities Act are outlined and practitioners discuss how to respond.

"What we try to do is get people to think what it must be like for families," says Green.

"Some people think it is a lifestyle choice, so we try to make them aware that children would not choose this. It's really difficult - that's why we have so many young people self-harming.

"Families often feel discriminated against by the very agencies that should be supporting them."(continues)

www.cypnow.co.uk/Analysis/article/court-ruling-uncovers-knowledge-gap-in-gender-identity-practice

from thread discussing Newsnight, Imnobody4 wrote,
twitter.com/Neverfallingfo1/status/1273745127811559427?s=19

"Sarah Davidson who was named was previously on the team of Gendered Intelligence and seems to be an advocate of Queer Theory."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3943022-Newsnight-Tonight-Tavistock-Clinic-concerns?watched=1&msgid=97590510#prettyPhoto

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R0wantrees · 11/01/2021 10:26

December 11, 2020 Community Care article by Michelle Janas

'Puberty blockers and consent to treatment: an analysis of the High Court’s ruling
The experimental nature and potential lifelong consequences of puberty-suppressing medication led judges to conclude that the courts must sanction its use for children with gender dysphoria'
(extract)
On 1 December, a landmark judgment was delivered in the case of Bell & Anor v The Tavistock And Portman NHS Foundation Trust [2020] EWHC 3274. The High Court was asked to determine whether children experiencing gender dysphoria could give informed consent to receive puberty-suppressing drugs, by achieving Gillick competence.

The court found that competence to consent to such treatment is was “highly unlikely” for 13-year-olds and “very doubtful” for those aged 14 or 15. While consent can be presumed for young people aged 16 and 17, medical professionals may want to seek court approval before treatment if there are doubts as to whether it would be in the young person’s long-term best interests.

The judgment will be implemented on 22 December. If the Tavistock or the two NHS trusts who administer the treatment appeal by then, and this is granted by the Court of Appeal, implementation will be deferred until the appeal is decided. (continues)

concludes:
"Understanding future impact
The judgment cites several pieces of evidence regarding the court’s concerns on a child’s ability to understand the impact on future fertility and sexual relationships. This includes the GIDS testimony that for children these implications will always involve “some act of imagination” (para 122) and a witness statement from a 13-year-old trans boy who wrote, “I haven’t really thought about parenthood…I just have no idea what me in the future is going to think”. Also, Kiera Bell, who brought the legal challenge, stated in evidence, “It is only until recently that I have started to think about having children and if that is ever a possibility.”

In determining competence, the judgment states that a child must not only have sufficient understanding of the factors relevant to the present, but also be able to objectively weigh information relevant to the future (para 124). Thus, although a child might understand the concept of fertility loss, it is not the same as understanding how this might affect their adult life (para 139).

Induced sterility is a principal ethical dilemma in paediatric cancer medicine, as the treatments given for advanced or complex tumours can render a child infertile. However, as the treatment is usually a final life-saving option, sterility, although distressing, is perhaps considered acceptable. The court also refers to this to emphasise the gravity of these types of decisions by stating that “apart from life-saving treatment, there will be no more profound medical decisions for children than whether to start on this treatment pathway” (para 149), a statement which gives context to the court’s justification for the high bar it has set.

Therefore, although the court acknowledges that a lack of evidence in experimental medicine is not a barrier to competence per se, it is the combination of this with the potentially profound lifelong consequences that a child will struggle to comprehend that has led it to conclude that Gillick competence for a child under 16 is highly unlikely to be reached, no matter how much information and support is given.

This judgment also gives social work pause for thought. Social workers, by virtue of the profession, are interested in issues of social justice and welcome diversity and difference. However, just as for the medical profession, we do need to ensure that foremost, we do no harm."
www.communitycare.co.uk/2020/12/11/puberty-blockers-consent-treatment-analysis-high-courts-ruling/

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R0wantrees · 11/01/2021 10:38

From a useful discussion under the article involving Social Workers,

"I know a 13 year old Looked After Child. From the age of around 4 he insisted that he was a girl. When he entered care and started at his new primary school he was allowed to socially transition, in that he wore girls clothes, wore his hair long and went by a girls name.

He went to secondary school as a girl and his peers were unaware at the time.

Then puberty hit. He resolved his dysphoria and now goes to school as a boy, terrified because the boys know that he identified as a girl. He plays the class clown for a sense of protection.

This boy, like many that we work with experienced trauma, loss, rejection in early childhood. He is so angry at the moment that he was allowed to do what he wanted and feels let down by the adults in his life.

What has not been spoken about much has been the sheer volume of girls identifying as trans during puberty, or the higher numbers of trans identified children and young people who have a diagnosis of ASD, underlying mental health difficulties, etc."

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Angryresister · 11/01/2021 10:52

Yes, must do no harm seems a really good starting point. A a former social worker and foster carer, I worry about how everyone is managing this, given the grooming of professionals that has been taking place.

persistentwoman · 11/01/2021 12:32

So pleased to see this important thread bumped. Along with children on the autistic spectrum, children in care are another vulnerable group of children who (judging by all the dreadful guidelines aimed at them) have been earmarked by trans activist groups for attention.
Although this child was not in the care of the state, a very unwell parent lost legal custody of them because of their insistence (against all the evidence) that they were a "trans" child. And social workers were amongst a number of professionals severely criticised by the judge for their adherence to the trans ideology leading to their failure to act professionally and safeguard a child so that he suffered harm.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 12/01/2021 17:05

Half were in care?
Shock Wow, I had no idea of that.

I wonder how many of the children referred to the Tavistock in the UK have been through the care sector.

MerchedCymru · 12/01/2021 17:50

Social workers and teachers are in the frontline of this contagion. And they are being trained by the likes of Stonewall and Mermaids. It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Affirmation goes against all best practice, especially given what we know about co-morbidities and the wider social/family context of so many gnc kids. There are some excellent post-Tavi resources on the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine website (www.segm.org) but evidence and expertise are not encouraged in this field.

But Keira has done so much to get the debate in to the open. I am starting to feel almost optimistic.

Orlania · 12/01/2021 18:35

Place marking to read later.

standingupforitanywhere · 13/04/2021 11:18

Thank you for this thread. I need it!

R0wantrees · 13/04/2021 12:06

website:
EVIDENCE-BASED SOCIAL WORK ALLIANCE (EBSWA)

"As a coalition of qualified practitioners, academics and social work students, we came together in response to our individual concerns regarding the uncritical use of gender identity theory in social work and other professions. As a group we believe social workers have a responsibility in law, underpinned by professional ethics and values, to promote and uphold the safeguarding of children. Children and young people with gender dysphoria are presenting to the profession and we are being silenced in our attempts to understand and discuss the evidence-base approaches to exploring this phenomenon."
www.ebswa.org/

twitter: twitter.com/ebswa

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