"Obsession with gender identity goes too far -Times article"

[TimeLady]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/obsession-with-gender-identity-goes-too-far-vjcr30g8t

by Nigel Biggar, regius professor of moral and pastoral theology at the University of Oxford

The whole non-binary just feels a bit "special snowflake" to me. I mean no one fits every bit of male or female gender stereotyping and they just get on with life.

With share token:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/obsession-with-gender-identity-goes-too-far-vjcr30g8t?shareToken=258fd8cd9c99946cf35cc327183e26c1

"The strength of felt attachment alone can’t endow it with value."

Quite.

Thanks Igneococcus. I thought my original link was shareable, but maybe not!

Very succinct article from a GC view:

...But what I don’t get is the demand that society should reform its language, its census forms, its lavatories, and its sleeping arrangements around an ever-growing taxonomy of genders, which takes its bearings from stereotypes that have long been discredited, and either says nothing new or vanishes into private obscurity.

What a great piece of writing!

Bloody fantastic piece!

Fantastic. So clear.

Yup. I think that just about sums it up. Why should we care? What does it achieve?

There are plenty of people out there who are in urgent need of our help — from the millions of older people who live alone in Britain to Syrians at the wrong end of Assad’s merciless stick. In their light, obsessing about the social recognition of elusive transgender identities does look awfully like fiddling with our navels while Rome burns.

Yes! Beautifully put.

Loved that! Thanks for sharing.

Agreed. A commendably clear article. Looking forwards to the comments.

Bang on.

Great piece - cuts through all the flannel and histrionics.

I’m starting to feel more positive about this. I want a balanced and constructive argument and women’s rights to be taken seriously not rigged consultations and talk shows.

As to the ‘it never happens’ argument my feeling is that examples are now coming up of actually ‘it does happen’. That people who do want to access single sex spaces for the wrong reasons are using this as a cloak to do so and examples are starting to be published. I wish people could understand nuance in arguments and saying this does not mean I think transmen or transwomen want to harass people. I don’t. It feels like a knee jerk reaction to block this argument completely.

It's a good, clear piece.

The main headline article in The Times today is on another matter which frankly puts all this gender identity snowflakery in the shade - forced marriages. I started a thread with links to the main and supplementary pieces if anyone wants to read them (I can hardly bear to myself TBH). Don't want to derail this thread just let people know it's there.

Great article. Very succinct as well.

This is the crux of the problem facing us - people look at the gender debate and think ‘but I don’t care’ and because they don’t care whether someone wants to call themselves bigender, poly gender, a gender or whatever they don’t engage enough to realise how the rights, dignity and safety of women and girls are being undermined.

I'm starting to wonder how long organisations like the BBC can hold on to their blind no-questions asked, affirmative stance when more and more intelligent voices are raising really excellent questions like that.

Reading things like this makes me think there's a definite hint of change in the air. People are beginning to wake up!

Of course if you spend an hour on Twitter reading the fawning comments to Madigan or Harrop you get the opposite impression.. but in general, I'm feeling more hopeful these days that we can reverse the trend of unquestioning support for trans' demands and the correlating stamp of bigot for those of us pointing out biological truths.

Exactly Errol. I read the articles about the girls and women are ignored when they try to stop their abusers getting visas, and think "tell me again how TWAW.".

Thanks OP. I really enjoyed reading that.

Damn. If the Times keep this up, I’ll have to subscribe.

Excellent piece - No comments yet on the Times site at the moment. Also looking to see if the Times Facebook account has a link (comments on fb can be interesting) and couldn't find it. It did have a link to this article though. (Sorry I can't make a share token)

Canadian car insurance link (wouldn't apply here, of course, cheaper insurance for women was deemed discriminatory)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/man-changes-his-gender-to-get-cheaper-car-insurance-m3kqlvf3l?shareToken=443d34d580161e3c21f4d0d63c0bd864

This is the sharetoken, Imchlibob

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/man-changes-his-gender-to-get-cheaper-car-insurance-m3kqlvf3l?shareToken=35f6d7b37dc6f39c7dbdaa01089736b7

I'm loving the way The Times is shining a light on this by publishing matter-of-fact articles showing up the idiocy of this agenda on a regular basis.