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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

We don't need to spread our message. We just need to spread their message more widely.

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SanctimoniousMorph · 27/07/2018 22:31

Okay, maybe spreading our message helps too but really what we need to do is get everyone else to see and hear what is going on. I'm exposed to it in real life in the LGBT "community", some other groups (e.g. women prisoners) are feeling the brunt of it and we see the craziness online but a lot of people will be oblivious until the point where it directly affects them and then it could be too late.

When the message 'transwomen are women' was projected in London, women were talking about having a gender critical/pro-women counter message but I think what would have worked better would be to project some of the transactivists' own beliefs up there to get people thinking (e.g. "the penis is a female organ").

At Pride what we need (and what Stonewall would do if they thought the public would actually buy their message if they knew what it really was) is t-shirts saying "Some women have penises.....get over it". Or "real lesbians like ladydick". Those in charge can't dispute those messages because they believe in them (and they'd get too much abuse if they tried). However, I think at least the leaders realise that they can't go around promoting those messages at Pride because the audience of straight people and older, married gay/lesbian couples whose only contact with the "community" is coming to Pride once a year will think "hang on, what's going?"

Where companies have replaced 'single sex' with 'single gender' I think women who expect single sex, say, sleeper carriages or hostel dorms should be warned of this - but, if the companies are so proud of their stance, they should want to shout it from the roof tops.

Instead of posting gender critical posters/stickers that will be taken down, why not stick up notices on their behalf explaining their policy.

E.g. in the women's dorm "Hostelling Scotland promotes an inclusive environment which welcomes anyone who chooses to be recognised as a women [their words btw!] into the women's dorm and showers. We recognise that some women have penises and welcome women with penises into these facilities."

What argument would they have for taking that poster down? It merely states their policy without offering a counter-argument - because it doesn't really need one.

Even on social media, if you aren't brave enough to be openly gender critical, you could share some of the crazier transactivist articles - either voicing your support for them (if you don't mind some of your friends thinking you are an idiot) or just saying something vague like 'interesting article', 'this is a new perspective' etc.

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MrsFogi · 27/07/2018 23:45

This is an excellent idea.

WineCheeseSleep · 27/07/2018 23:49

This is a new perspective Wink

Seriously though, good idea.

UglyCathKidstonBag · 28/07/2018 00:05

I’ve told everyone I know about GGUK’s policy. That’s a shocker.

MrsToddsShortcut · 28/07/2018 00:17

I really like this idea. Hoist by their own petard etc.

ElenOfTheWays · 28/07/2018 01:22

It's true. Many are peaked by the Transactivists themselves unwittingly revealing their true agenda.

ElenOfTheWays · 28/07/2018 01:22

Otherwise known as talking utter bilge Grin

Datun · 28/07/2018 01:45

Excellent idea. It cannot be disagreed with publically without alerting that same public to the bonkers.

Like 2d + 69 = L

Very incriminating to agree with. But impossible to deny.

NotMeOhNo · 28/07/2018 02:01

I proposed this on the Labor branch meeting threads. I said say you've looked into it and you can't believe there are bigots out there who don't believe in the sincerity of a rapist who has transitioned.

NotMeOhNo · 28/07/2018 02:01

Sorry, Labour CLP, using Aust lingo there!

TinyRick · 28/07/2018 02:26

This is why I changed tack, sort of.

I hit peak tras a couple of years back. I stopped ranting and raving and just sat back a bit because I realised they would eat themselves and won't stop their collective narcissistic juggernaut.

I applaud the likes of Datun who kept calm and continued on. I just kept getting frustrated Grin

womanformallyknownaswoman · 28/07/2018 02:49

Great idea about amplifying their rhetoric eg your daughters will now get their sexual education anytime they are in a public change area because they will be surrounded by female penises.

SeaWitchly · 28/07/2018 03:07

Excellent idea Grin

That said I am peak transing people daily just by teling them the more batshit transgender ideology - for example, the penis is apparently also a female organ... male sexual offenders who transition and want to enter/have been allowed to enter the female prison estate... the loss of 'female tollets' in some venues as they have been rebranded 'gender neutral' although specifically male toilets have been allowed to remain untouched...

People say, surely not, that wouldn't be allowed... then discover it is true and possibly soon to be enshrined in legislation and then the scales truly drop from their eyes. It is a beautiful thing Grin

Alternatively you can just direct them to Adrian Harrop's twitter feed and it is job done.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/07/2018 04:56

Having supported gay rights from my.early.teens, at first I assumed the T were much the same, SanctimoniousMorph. It was the words of TRAs that made me understand how bonkers, homophobic and misogynistic their agenda was.

What you're suggesting is what I've done with people I speak about the issues. I quote TRAs and watch them reasses their understanding.

Lavenderbathbomb · 28/07/2018 05:41

Don’t forget pictures too. A photo of Shon Faye’s pouting face saying ‘I am a woman because I say so/Enjoy your erasure’ can mass peak people.

SophoclesTheFox · 28/07/2018 06:51

Thoroughly agree. People don't need to be told what to think about Jane Fae knitting at a debate, or by India Willoughby yelling "LET THAT PENETRATE", or Eddie Izzard talking about his girl genes. They are already thinking "wait - what?".

We just need to gently nudge people, like you say, to take it to the next level: "So as transwomen are women, then their penises are female penises? How interesting" .

I like it.

Sarahconnor1 · 28/07/2018 07:29

This isn't just an excellent idea it's essential for safeguarding reasons.

If spaces are now separated by gender rather than sex - GGUK, sleeper carraiges, hostels etc then women and parents should know firstly that these changes have happened and secondly what exactly the changes mean (fully intact male genitalia sharing intimate spaces with women and girls). It's only when individuals know about this that they can make an informed decision about whether to use these spaces.

enoughisenough12 · 28/07/2018 07:35

Many of the glorious examples worth sharing can be found on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318916-Gender-Critical-Greatest-Hits?reverse=1

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/07/2018 08:18

I feel there could be a lot of mileage in just showing these two images I've just seen on Twitter. Disgusted doesn't even begin to describe how this makes me feel.

We don't need to spread our message.  We just need to spread their message more widely.
We don't need to spread our message.  We just need to spread their message more widely.
HawkeyeInConfusion · 28/07/2018 08:27

Wtf gasp0de. I am speechless.

Surely no one thinks that's ethical? Angry

MistressDeeCee · 28/07/2018 08:36

Best idea I've seen in ages. I'm going to start doing this.

It's not enough to just speak on this Board. Most people I know in real life roll eyes because they think it's all a fuss about changing rooms. In fact many people have no knowledge of any of this at all; it's as if it exists in a bubble on the internet. & that's worrying.

MyAuntyBadger · 28/07/2018 08:50

Wow Gasp0de, what a charming young lady that man is.

Bumbungo · 28/07/2018 09:12

I agree Morph. And tha's why we it's best their posts aren't deleted on here too.

PerryPerryThePlatypus · 28/07/2018 09:43

Considering the occurrence of asd in TIFs Gasp0des screen shots sound like some sort of eugenics/Mengale regime. As the mother of a teen aspie girl this terrifies me.

NotMeOhNo · 28/07/2018 10:26

Wow Gaspode is there a similar treatise about ftms getting penises from transwomen?

NotMeOhNo · 28/07/2018 10:27

All those unwanted penises! Set them freeeee!