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We don't need to spread our message. We just need to spread their message more widely.

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SanctimoniousMorph · 27/07/2018 22:31

Okay, maybe spreading our message helps too but really what we need to do is get everyone else to see and hear what is going on. I'm exposed to it in real life in the LGBT "community", some other groups (e.g. women prisoners) are feeling the brunt of it and we see the craziness online but a lot of people will be oblivious until the point where it directly affects them and then it could be too late.

When the message 'transwomen are women' was projected in London, women were talking about having a gender critical/pro-women counter message but I think what would have worked better would be to project some of the transactivists' own beliefs up there to get people thinking (e.g. "the penis is a female organ").

At Pride what we need (and what Stonewall would do if they thought the public would actually buy their message if they knew what it really was) is t-shirts saying "Some women have penises.....get over it". Or "real lesbians like ladydick". Those in charge can't dispute those messages because they believe in them (and they'd get too much abuse if they tried). However, I think at least the leaders realise that they can't go around promoting those messages at Pride because the audience of straight people and older, married gay/lesbian couples whose only contact with the "community" is coming to Pride once a year will think "hang on, what's going?"

Where companies have replaced 'single sex' with 'single gender' I think women who expect single sex, say, sleeper carriages or hostel dorms should be warned of this - but, if the companies are so proud of their stance, they should want to shout it from the roof tops.

Instead of posting gender critical posters/stickers that will be taken down, why not stick up notices on their behalf explaining their policy.

E.g. in the women's dorm "Hostelling Scotland promotes an inclusive environment which welcomes anyone who chooses to be recognised as a women [their words btw!] into the women's dorm and showers. We recognise that some women have penises and welcome women with penises into these facilities."

What argument would they have for taking that poster down? It merely states their policy without offering a counter-argument - because it doesn't really need one.

Even on social media, if you aren't brave enough to be openly gender critical, you could share some of the crazier transactivist articles - either voicing your support for them (if you don't mind some of your friends thinking you are an idiot) or just saying something vague like 'interesting article', 'this is a new perspective' etc.

OP posts:
theOtherPamAyres · 28/07/2018 10:35

"Transwomen are women. Any person disputing the existence of women with penises will be guilty of transphobia and escorted from the building."

"Q. So you think that your daughter is a lesbian? How can you help her?
A: See your GP about making her into a man. She'll be happier once her breasts and womb have gone. A lifetime of drug dependence is a small price to pay for male pattern baldness and facial hair."

theOtherPamAyres · 28/07/2018 10:43

This organisation has created a hate crime of 'transphobia' in advance of any legislation that may, or may not, passed by Parliament. Please ask a member of staff for further information about what constitutes transphobia.

Datun · 28/07/2018 10:56

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

That screenshot!

I'm sure it's not genuine, is it? It says it's legal. As far as I know, in this country at least, it absolutely isn't.

I can't remember the exact wording, or, indeed when I even read it, but it's not legal to implant a uterus into a man.

And the fact that they use the word transplant? Does a transplant not rely on a faulty organ being replaced? Otherwise it's an implant?

Ugh anyway.

ThinkOfAWittyNameLater · 28/07/2018 10:59

Didn't you know @Datun , everything must be trans now, even implants Wink

...waits for this to be deleted...

Indierockandroll · 28/07/2018 11:17

I agree that some will fall on their own swords - so to speak.

I was in a shop one Saturday afternoon recently and three teenagers walked in. Two females and one male, 6ft, who was dressed up to the nines.

But it wasn't his look that made him stand out.
The guy was being really loud and brattish, talking loudly and dramatically, flicking his hair, stomping about. At first, I thought the drama was tongue in chhek, but soon realised he was deadly serious when he started talking loudly about suicide, punctuated with various 'like' and 'literally I am so going to kill myself" followed by a LOL.

I was trying not to give him the attention he demanded and continued shopping.

A baby boomer couple paused and the husband stared at the male in a shocked way. Now it could be because he doesn't see many 6ft guys in mini skirts in House of Fraser on a Saturday, but I also think it was because the teen was being generally obnoxious and brash while everybody was just getting on quietly with shopping on a Saturday afternoon.

This sounds like caricatures, but surely the days have long gone by when anyone is 'offended' or shocked by what people wear.

It was more about the rude, entitled attitude of a child - a 6ft child who was presenting as slightly aggressive and I wondered if Jo and Josephine public know that anybody who ids as female could soon share women's spaces.

The teen was intent on creating a scebe and had they been shopping like everybody else, then, like the GRA, he may have gone unnoticed by much of society, but the demands of TRAs and being force fed bullshit in your face may well be the thing that actually trans peaks others.

My main concern is that the consultation around the GRA ends in Ocotober.

theOtherPamAyres · 28/07/2018 12:13

The NoneSuch Girls' Rugby/Cricket/Football League is open to girls, and boys who identify as girls, between the ages of 11 and 16 years.

As a condition of entry, participating clubs must ensure that transgirls are protected from the harms caused by transphobia. 'Transphobia' includes the refusal to play against teams that include boys who identify as girls.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/07/2018 12:30

Gosh, what about the harms caused to biological adolescent females by playing a highly physical contact sport with biological adolescent males? Is that being factored in?

Ereshkigal · 28/07/2018 15:04

I agree this is EXACTLY the way to play it.

Ellabella1234 · 01/08/2018 21:29

I'm more of a lurker, but have dug out my login details to say I think this is a fab idea and worth bumping.

Gncq · 01/08/2018 22:06

This is a good idea.
I have T-Shirt design ideas already.

OldCrone · 01/08/2018 22:18

And the fact that they use the word transplant? Does a transplant not rely on a faulty organ being replaced? Otherwise it's an implant?

The article is about transplanting a uterus into a woman whose uterus is absent or has an abnormality which prevents her from getting pregnant.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5780567/

LonginesPrime · 01/08/2018 22:45

I wonder if you could crowdfund for 'some women have penises, get over it' on the side of a London bus.

VaggieMight · 01/08/2018 22:59

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at poster's request.

theOtherPamAyres · 14/08/2018 14:12

After we've stickered the whole country with penises, and after handmaidens have stickered some toilets with "a transwoman was here", maybe we can give some prominence to the rubbish that Gender Extremists spout?

Together with some cracking photos of the feminine lovelies, naturally.

frazzled1 · 14/08/2018 14:39

One of the lovelies to check out on twitter is Denise Delargo @DeniseDelargo.

Some pictures of me erect #transgender with pics standing up Hmm dressed to the nines.

Be warned, scroll through enough and Denise eventually proudly shows off Denise's lady dick nested amongst the 50's style polka dot skirts, lingerie etc. Nice to see who's side you're on Twitter.

rememberatime · 14/08/2018 14:51

Most businesses who profess to be trans-supportive are in fact fence-sitting. They claim to be inclusive but when it comes down to it, they are not nailing their colours to the mast. They simply do not make a big thing of their trans-inclusive policies because they understand it will alienate their core demographic.

However they can point to their policies if they are ever challenged - which they rarely are.

The key is to force them to show their hand or do it for them. In a measured and factual way - simply make people aware of policies that are anti-women without commenting on them in any way. Most businesses do not want these policies to be widely known.

A great idea OP.

WhereYouLeftIt · 14/08/2018 15:01

Bloody hell frazzled1 Shock!

But no, not a fetish, not at all. Denise could peaktrans the entire country!

frazzled1 · 14/08/2018 16:01

Absolutely WhereYouLeftIt.

Denise peak peak transed me.

Check out Denise's July 6 Twitter Suck it or f it #transgender along with charming pic of Denise, dangly bits displayed.

Fetish - absolutely.

Ereshkigal · 14/08/2018 16:07

The key is to force them to show their hand or do it for them. In a measured and factual way - simply make people aware of policies that are anti-women without commenting on them in any way. Most businesses do not want these policies to be widely known.

YY.

theOtherPamAyres · 14/08/2018 17:49

This one takes the Biscuit

It's from the University of Bristol, Trans Awareness Week in 2014

We don't need to spread our message.  We just need to spread their message more widely.
Ereshkigal · 14/08/2018 18:15

If I saw that I would have to take it down or write a response.

Ereshkigal · 14/08/2018 18:19

I don't think about "strangers' genders" at all. I couldn't give a fuck what inner woman feelings random males may fancy they have. Nor are the signs on the door concerned with that. I assume they mean sex. And that may cause an issue.

IAmInsignificunt · 14/08/2018 18:40

It's from the University of Bristol, Trans Awareness Week in 2014

“Don’t worry about it?”

Since when have women been afforded the ability to be casual about who stands next to them? I need to know when a man is near me, I need to know how to get to safety.

stillathing · 14/08/2018 19:32

The thoughtless privilege of whoever came up with that sticker is incredible. I've been thinking about the way the word gatekeeping is currently used, like it is a bed thing, when really doesn't it mean consent and boundaries?

Ereshkigal · 14/08/2018 19:36

YY.