Horrible news story - acid attack on 3 year old

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So, the horrible news story about an acid attack on a three year old child. I can't be the only one who thought his dad or step-dad would be behind it? How sad is that? My assumption when I first heard about the story was that the dad would be punishing the mother. I know, I know - not all men etc but ffs!

First thing I said was I bet the dad was punishing the mother. Had there been an update about the 'motive'? I heard 5 people were involved and I feel sick there are 5 people in the world who think that attacking a baby like that is funny/normal/acceptable/a good idea/whatever it was they thought at the time. How does the idea to do that even come into your head? No wonder people keep calling for death penalty to be reintroduced, how can these 'people' ever integrate into society when they're capable of that level of evil.

I know - 5 people?! I am assuming the other 4 were his mates or his brothers but ffs - how did so many of them think - yes, this is a perfectly acceptable thing to do ??

Just shows the mindset of some people doesn't it, I don't have anyone in my life I could call to help me commit atrocities, the fact that one of them had 4 he could call on is very disturbing. He obviously knew what type of people they were because you wouldn't call people and outline that plan if you had doubts they'd say no and call the police would you. It's shocking.

Yes, Slapbet - if for some weird reason I thought I had valid reason to carry out something similar, I cannot think of a single friend who would say "ok then!"...

I immediately thought the same. I just knew it. It would be utterly horrifying whoever the perpetrator was of course. I dread to think what suffering lies ahead for this poor boy who has had his healthy future stolen from him.

Obviously the acid attack is a VERY extreme case, but I do despair at the apparently high numbers of men who see their children not as people but as merely tools for hurting their partner/former partner.

Someone in my family - who had never even been alone with his 4-year-old DD - dragged his wife through a protracted battle for custody when she left. When he lost, he didn’t even keep to the agreed arrangement, and severed all contact with his DD within months.

Also stunned by the involvement of five people in the above. Surely brothers...

It’s particularly insane to commit a crime like this for the sake of SOMEONE ELSE’S hatred of their partner. It can’t even be judged a “crime of passion” (quotation marks because that’s a fucking ridiculous term and not a real thing)

I see on the news this morning, the father is the lead suspect. It’s possible his accomplices were motivated by payment.

5 like minded sick monsters

Beyond frightening

Lethal injections for the lot of em'

As soon as I heard about this, my first thoughts were of course for the Mum and child, but I knew this was not a crime commited by a stranger, I said this is someone the family know.

I hope the child and Mum are going to be ok, and kept a little safer than they were before. They had sought safety at a refuge apparently.

They had sought safety at a refuge apparently.

Sadly this case amply demonstrates the lengths some men will go to in order to further their abuse of their partners and children. I had assumed a familial link when I heard about the distances involved. Of course, “this never happens” and there are no circumstances whatsoever when an ex-partner would exploit a loophole in the law to accesss a vulnerable woman or child.

It is amazing the number of things that will never happen that actually happen eh boatyard

Wasn't the reason for the attack that she was seen on TV without a veil?

Pretty thin grounds for such an extreme attack.

@Freespeecher we don't know the motives for sure

It was always going to be an angry ex.

Digressing slightly - WHY is this stuff still available for people to get hold of?
Ok my chemistry A level was a long time ago but anyway, I honestly wouldn't know what to buy or where to get it from. (OK five minutes with google would probably enlighten me). Is it for sale in general DIY stores or suppliers? Is it for plumbers to clear drains or mechanics topping up car batteries or something? Because I've lived quite a long time without EVER needing to buy acid.

I know we have crap politicians etc but why don't they go for the occasional non controversial quick win and ban this stuff from sale except for tradespeople with a genuine use who purchase it through their company with special permission, all traceable? Apart from anything else there have been so many of these attacks it must be costing the NHS a fortune in plastic surgery depts.

Maybe they get it on the dark web or something and would continue to do so but Banning it would be a start.

I've read so many reports that the mother was fleeing a "fractious relationship" or wanted to make a fresh start - not one where they directly that she had escaped domestic abuse. Is that because of potential prejudice in the trial? Because it's pretty offensive otherwise.

'fractious'. What a ridiculous word to use.

Sadly, when I first read about this and early reports said that the police had ruled out racism or gang-related crime as possible motives, my immediate next thought was "oh, that means it'll have been the father." It makes me so bloody angry that we're simply not taking domestic violence seriously as a society.

None of the people involved in this will get the life sentences they so obviously need in order to keep women and children (and likely other men) safe from them. They will probably be out within a few years.

The entire justice system needs to be rebuilt with the reality of male pattern violence and the near-certainty of repeat offending in mind.

I knew straight away it would have been the father or someone acting for him. I just knew.

What is pissing me off is lots of comments on social media saying “he’s not a man” “a real man wouldn’t do this”

Bullshit. It is always men, real men, actual men that live with us, commute with us, drink with us, serve us in shops. This is men. People need to stop pretending this isn’t a man thing.

Afghan ‘assylum’ Seekers I believe.

Racist much, Gaspode?

This is a MALE problem, not a race one.

I think it IS a race problem. Well a religious problem within a male problem. We need to stop shying away from calling it out. It doesn't mean that all people in that religion agree with this behaviour any more than it means all men do. Pretending that it isn't a factor of this particular crime is not helpful.

I don't think it is a race problem, just like I don't think its a male problem. The stats for these sort of attacks support neither. It's everyone's problem.

Most of these attacks are by young people in gangs. I think I read 30% of attackers were female, and over 50% overall were white.

But the point is that this attack was not gang-related, it was specifically connected to DV - and pouring acid over your own child as a way of getting back at your wife having the effrontery to leave a violent relationship is a highly male crime.

You do get the occasional female "family annihilator" but they are very, very rare. The vast majority of parents who carry out acts of violence or murder against children in order to "get revenge" on an absent spouse are overwhelmingly male.

As soon as I heard how young the victim was, I just knew the father was going to have been involved. Isn't that bloody depressing? To mutilate one's own child in order to punish the mother for a perceived slight? How fucking appalling. And how fucking appallingly predictable. I'm not saying acid attacks are all male violence. But injuring/killing your children specifically to punish your ex? Overwhelmingly male.