Stonewall - The Truth about Trans

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twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1019496244182470656

Judging by the comments, you are not alone. Do read all the replies. Peaktrans big time.

Where are the comments? I'm not on twitter but usually a view conversation link under a post?

Well that didn't go to plan did it? WOw

That's the best thing I've seen on twitter for quite a while

The sex they were given at birth" - babies aren't born with nothing between their legs and the parents given a sort of IKEA genital flatpack of their choice ('pynyss' or 'fagynnä') to attach once they take baby home, you know

^^
That @ reply made me snort so loud my dog tutted from the landing.

Some random quotes;

Replying to @stonewalluk
"A lot of misinformation in the media" about what? About women being sexually assaulted by inmates with intact male bodies who say they are women? Is that the information you don't want out there? Is it spoiling the transgender agenda you've set?

Replying to @stonewalluk
Homosexuality exists STONEWALL, get over it. Stop promoting conversion therapy for gay men and lesbians by denying same SEX attraction. Identity does not change our SEXual orientation.

Replying to @stonewalluk
I’m gutted. I have transgender friends and this is harming them. You’re making them all look ridiculous with your ridiculous activism that undermines biological reality. Shameful and embarrassing.

Replying to @stonewalluk
when did homosexuality stop existing as a thing? You have redefined it as gendersexuality. Good luck with that when it collides with reality. Gays are not into vagina. Lesbians are not into penis. Subliminal attraction ends with the realisation of the sex.

Replying to @stonewalluk
You are pandering to the fetish of heterosexual men who diminish hard earned rights secured by gay/lesbians and heterosexual women! Remove the LGB @stonewalluk you are not fit for purpose!

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FFS. i have tried to give @stonewall the benefit of the doubt but this document is seriously fucked up 🤦🏻‍♀️

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You are treating people like idiots. You used to be such a respected institution.

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The truth is you have been misrepresenting Transsexuals & EqAct10. Transsexual & Changing Sex are specifically mentioned in the Act yet you’ve been trying to erase the terms by claiming they are archaic. Transsexual isn’t Transgender, nor do we change Gender Identity. Get over it.

Replying to @stonewalluk
Is there any way to be a trans Ally while not being willing to accept that "transwomen/men ARE women/men"?

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Based on these comments, I really think you need to listen to what people are saying and take a good long hard look at how you've been treating and representing those within your 'community.' It seems you've become quite the joke.

and it goes on. So not everyone has drunk the koolaid.

For those who may not be able to see the thread:

Stonewall begins its mansplaining q&a document with the words:
"There is a lot of information being spread......"

The replies show, with evidence and supporting material in some cases, that Stonewall itself is to blame for the misinformation.

For instance:
"8 trans people have been murdered in the UK since 2008. Which is tragic. 2 Women have been murdered a week in the UK - THIS YEAR. If the first is tragic, what should we refer to for the second?"

and

"‘ [Stonewall says]......'It is an essential part of who you are that can’t be changed’.
I thought there were people who have detransitioned...."

"It's Stonewall who are peddling most of the misinformation about trans people. 594 middle aged transactivists took part in the Stonewall poll about trans kids being suicidal. Those stats are now peddled as the opinion of trans SCHOOLCHILDREN rather than 594 men on the internet".

"when did homosexuality stop existing as a thing? You have redefined it as gendersexuality. Good luck with that when it collides with reality. Gays are not into vagina. Lesbians are not into penis. Subliminal attraction ends with the realisation of the sex."

And so on, and so on.

Stonewall is registered charity number 1101255 with an annual income of 7.5 million pounds, according to the Charity Commission's website. Who are filling their coffers? Will the backlash make them change their minds?

Here a link

www.stonewall.org.uk/truth-about-trans

A lot to enjoy, including how a male and a female can infact have lesbian sex.

And a nice sidestep about why they won't debate the issues.

Seriously Twilight Zone.

Have they shared it elsewhere, I imagine the Facebook comments will be a joy to behold.

It’s on FB but no comments, they will have deleted the ones they don’t like. Sadly for Stonewall they can’t delete the wrong thinkers on Twitter.

I wonder if there is even a slight realisation from Stonewall CEO Ruth Hunt that she has completely and utterly fucked this up? That the LGBT organisation she runs is now widely viewed within and beyond LGBT as deeply homophobic and misogynistic? Great work, Ruth!

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156165334305399&id=18933990398

That thread is a bit heartening after the Fawcett fiasco - which left me feeling seriously deflated.

Ruth Hunt is a traitor to women. WOMEN

I don’t know how Ruth Hunt sleeps at night tbh. She disgusts me. As Madeleine Albright said, there’s a special place in hell for women like her who fuck over other women.

Those reactions are heartening

The more anti-trans remarks become visible like this, the stronger is the case for giving trans people more legal protections.

The comments give me a glimmer of hope

Snappity - well there's no problem with people having legal protections..as long as they're not at the expense of other people. I think these comments show exactly that they would be. So some alternative types of legal protections need to be discussed. Stonewall should be looking at that.

So much bollocks.

“How do you know you’re trans?

Many people know they’re trans from a young age. Some trans people might not have the language or understanding of what it means to be trans until later in life. But it is always something innate and absolutely core to your sense of self. It’s not something that’s a fad, a 'lifestyle choice' or something that comes and goes.

It is an essential part of who you are that can’t be changed. If you aren’t recognised as being the —gender— sex you know you are, it’s extremely damaging. ”

This is how I feel about the c word.

I peak transed last night.
Thank you mumsnet for educating me and leading the debate that needs to be had.

The more anti-trans remarks become visible like this, the stronger is the case for giving trans people more legal protections. What more do you think trans people need, Snappity ?

a) If you believe that then tell Stonewall et al to stop peddling such junk. Most people will rail against illogic and lies whenever they see them

b) If the 'more' includes everything women have then you can, as usual, piss off.

The reality is that the MOST anti trans publication IS STONEWALL. You can clearly see it in that Twitter thread. Stonewall is damaging everything trans people, as opposed to trans activists, have worked for all their trans lives. STONEWALL is actively destroying any hope trans people have of finding legal and social acceptance, because publications like that are so ridiculous even the most ardent trans ally will have problems defending it.

So take your ire to Stonewall and tell them to cease and desist in their stupidity!

I'm hugely disturbed at what a once respected organisation has become. They are now profoundly anti LGB and anti women.

If you scroll down there is a picture comment about ‘what we have to deal with.’

One of the lines in it is ‘when you realise euphoria is temporary.’

That’s chilling. It’s referring to the initial burst you get with puberty blocker type drugs. Eventually these block the gonadotropin but before that there’s a ‘burst’ of activity that’s actually associated with higher hormone levels, and a ‘high.’
They then talk about bone scans and blood draws - that’s the reality.

This poor person, who I imagine is young, has been grossly lied to about what these drugs can do and achieve. I feel very, very sorry for them.

What extra rights should transpeople have, snappity?

It seems to me that the single most damaging voice against transpeople right now is stonewall.

If the push was to get better understanding of those who are gender non conforming in society, AND that push didn’t harm women’s rights, boundaries or push children down medicalised pathways, I think an awful lot more people would be on board. I’d be on board.

The nonsense stonewall are coming out with is actively harming the public perception of people with gender dysphoria.

I really needed to read this after what happened with the Fawcett society.

There is so much common sense on that thread, and great to see men speaking up too and going 'wft?'

I watched a brief interview with Philippa York (aka Robert Millar) yesterday (with Lorraine absolutely fawning all over her). Now i know very little about Philippa but my brief impression just from watching that was that she was an old school transsexual who just desperately wanted a quiet life. She'd had dysphoria for years and badly. It made me cross because it's people like Philippa who are being done such a disservice by the activist community and Stonewall. I would be scared and angry if I had gender dysphoria in today's climate. What is happening is farcical.

The whole ‘sex they were given at birth’ concept drives me nuts.

The BBC are terrible for using this mad euphemism. Which actively masks harm. The contemporary trans narrative also (ironically) subsumes and masks the declared identities of others. Same as with the ‘historical transing’ of butch lesbians..

Like in this BBC article about ‘third sex’ spaces (in a system which offers a legal ‘third sex’ for passports etc) and social groups (hijira) in Pakistan, within a context of appalling attacks and discrimination against ‘third sex’ people.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44684714

The (hijira) community is also becoming increasingly visible in public life, with a private TV station hiring its first transgender news anchor in March and a transgender actress making her cinematic debut alongside Pakistan's top film stars last month.

However, violence and prejudice against transgender people in Pakistan has continued.

Transgender men, on the one hand, are barely visible in the public sphere as a result of the social and cultural expectations of those who are assigned female at birth.

Transgender women, meanwhile, are marginalised by society from an early age and are often forced to dance, beg or engage in prostitution to make a living, leaving them vulnerable to harassment, physical abuse and rape.

So the reductive sex-based misogyny that underpins all this and affects the female sex- transmen and half the population is completely glossed over. WTF?

The expansion of the trans umbrella also seems culturally imperialistic, because it would appear to misgender hijira people who self-identify as a third sex.

The BBC article several times uses the descriptor ‘trans women’ for them, which in this context in the current gender stereotyping Western European usage would be understood to mean ‘TWAW. ‘ ie a subset of women. Which is quite different from, and would appear to erase, the concept of a distinct ‘third sex’ which is how this social group describe themselves, in Pakistan. And which they have as a legal identity.

It is the same as calling someone in the UK with a GRC not legally the sex that the GRC says they are. Which would fly in the face of their legal identity here in the UK. Not sure why that’s OK to say about people in Pakistan when the BBC would not dream of doing that to someone in the UK?

Its also important to note that yesterday Stonewall hosted its top global employers event.
twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1019939885501878274

www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/top-global-employers-2018