Why are Fawcett staying so silent???? Are they afraid?

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I caught the comment about Sam Smethers being tight-lipped as others on the panel said they would be happy for transwomen to be half of AWS.... I do NOT understand why the brave Fawcett Society who have championed women for so long and so unfashionably are NOT speaking up...

I did start wondering if it is because they are worried they will lose the position they've acquired - go to organisation for politicos and media on women and inequality - if they are outspoken and gender critical.... whether they have decided this is a battle that might be lost and would therefore endanger their organisation

That said, surely if they did it in an even handed way, enabling women's voices to be heard??? Surely they could do something powerful

The Fawcett Society is no longer fit for purpose and yes it's funding - always comes with strings to be PC - shackling by terms and conditions

It's always about money and / or 5 min celebrity

I am GUTTED at the whole Fawcett travesty. Bunch of absolute fuckers. I have lost all respect.

The organisations up here in Scotland are just as bad. Engender is particularly dreadful and run by a careerist ‘feminist’ who knows what pays the bills and brooks no dissent on trans issues.

They had an open discussion event on the GRA scheduled earlier this year and when they saw lots of GC women signing up and realised it wasn’t going to be a nice cosy echo chamber they cancelled it. They are a disgrace to the women they are supposed to represent.

Other orgs like Zero Tolerance and Scottish Women’s Aid have also publicly voiced that they are pro trans. Sadly these organisations are chronically underfunded and receive woefully little in fundraising so are heavily dependent on government money.

Then the government consults with these organisations, who say everything they’ve been trained to say on trans issues, and it’s used against ordinary women as a gotcha. See! All these WOMEN’S ORGANISATIONS are behind self ID you horrible bigots, so STFU!

Sorry, but this picture from the Gendered Intelligence guide.

Jesus wept.

That pic is profoundly disturbing / gaslighting in the extreme

There is literally no point in a society which assists women to share power with men, and then includes men. They are basically assisting men to power and are worse than useless. I fucking hate them

And bases their reasoning on a spurious narrative about TW being the most oppressed in our society

Hear hear, Floorplan

And bases their reasoning on a spurious narrative about TW being the most oppressed in our society

This. They fucking are not. If they were they wouldn't have broken feminism.

We need to prepare. Corporate industrial pharma finance male power always wins in the end.

Think of how Bosnia and Syria, Iran, broke down. It's not unthinkable any more.

Fawcett Society now added to list of cancelled subscription support.

Courage calling to courage and all that - they obviously don't want the money of a wrong-thinking (now-previous) supporter who thinks that they should have spoken up.

How do they sleep at night? They are treacherous beyond belief and I hope the knowledge of their own cowardice clings to them for the rest of their lives!😡

Another aspect of this that makes me angry is that he pooled resources of women are being misused.
Women did not donate money and labour for it to end up being frittered away. They donated for a specific purpose.

They have a lot to be silent about.

I wonder what MNHQ makes of all this.

MNHQ are providing a discussion space. Last night saw a pusillanimous performance from Fawcett - and, no matter what their funding concerns, they are not a business, unlike MN - and today there is an interesting response to the Stonewall thread. Or, does Justine think the responders on the Stonewall thread were above a certain age, and this is still a generational, wrong side of history thing ?

There's a real class lens to this - if you're successful in a professional job it's easy to see feminism as only really relevant in the impact of maternity leave and "leaning in" and having the confidence to put yourself forward for politics etc.

These are not the women who work in low paying jobs, who are dealing with dodgy bosses in precarious jobs with no care for employment law, whose daughters put up with sexist crap and harassment and abuse from their schools in the low income areas that families with money don't buy in. The women who get ignored by the police because it's "just a domestic" and the girls who get written off as slags for being abused. They do not see sexism because they have money to cushion them.

And these protected women who find life so comparatively easy are happy to give concessions to men and screw the poorer, working class girls and women because it gets them virtue cookies from men.

They do not see sexism because they have money to cushion them.

And they can't imagine ever being in a refuge, or in prison. Or only being able to afford a communal dorm in a hostel on holiday. So they don't have to care about women & girls in that position.

Courage calls to courage? Not in the Fawcett Society it doesn't.

Everything MoltenLasagne said. I think it also goes for middle and upper middle class university students, who are squatting the marginalisation of poor and working class women by dint of having blue hair without seeming to be aware that such women even exist.

Yes exactly moltan

Molten

But where was the discussion ?

Saws it on the telly ?

Was ? Not saws. Ffs

I think it also goes for middle and upper middle class university students, who are squatting the marginalisation of poor and working class women by dint of having blue hair without seeming to be aware that such women even exist.

Yes absolutely this. And they are getting so many brownie points for doing it because they appear to be compassionate and have a social conscience. Er, no.

I think it was a conference littlebrowndog - I saw videos on twitter

Absolutely littlebrown. And I think "Saws it on the telly did we" is a great line to describe these fluorescent indulged snowflakes