March

[Floorplan]

We need to march. We just do.

• If I was under the impression

Yes but #peaktrans could be seen as transphobic, when actually what we are bothered about is the safeguarding of women and girls. It needs to be re-framed so it can be thrown straight back as, what, don’t you believe in the safeguarding of women and girls? We need to put them on the back foot from the start, rather than giving them something to attack on their ground. Then you know what happens, they deflect, start whining about mememe and get aggressive. Let them show themselves in plain sight. Bring it into our backyard and let them fight us on our terms. We’ve got tons of ammo and evidence and all they’ve got is you’re being mean and that would never happen. Well we can prove it does happen, so let’s use it.

I think the messaging (sorry, horrible word) would need to be very clear.

It's easy to be bamboozled by the TRAs. It took me many months of lurking here to get my head around the issues.

Ps. Do you think we should be plotting in the other place rather than here in public?

Sorry, x post HotRocker. You are exactly right.

Why do you think that is when there's been - what seems to me anyway - a mass of coverage of these issues in the papers and on television over the last year or so? It's also been all over social media. So, despite all that, is it a case of the message still not getting through or maybe that a lot of people are aware but aren't bothered?

Actually, all the "non terfs" I know are horrified by the stuff that is in the media. Children as young as 2 being referred to identity clinics. But funny enough, no one seems to know about female penises outside Pink News.

So no, the word isn't getting out. The stuff that is, fake statistics around suicide and transition upset people. But nothing real.

I see so many fucking memes from lefty dudebros who sure as hell are not going to be fellating lady peen about how "they just want to pee in peace"

Nothing about "they just want to be able to shower in a communal shower room with my daughter^. Not fucking once.

it's mainly because of the lies from TRA

You're saying that despite all the emotive topics being used in this campaign, that people would still rather believe 'lies' from trans people?

Ah I see I see

#sexnotgender

Did I say trans people? TRA stands for transactivists. Do you see how it starts?

I think a very simple to read, not because I'm being patronising but because none of it makes any sense. A list of trans 101 bullet points, easy to read. should be repeatedly posted in chat and AIBU. MN has 12 million viewers. There are 65 million people in the UK. You already have a massive captive audience.

You're saying that despite all the emotive topics being used in this campaign, that people would still rather believe 'lies' from trans people?

They are lies from TA though, and memes are easy to spread. And when orgs like Stonewall perpetuate them of course people will believe them

I started posting on FB about six weeks ago, after I plucked up the courage. I’m careful only to post things that directly impact the safety, dignity and privacy of women and girls, and frame it as a safeguarding issue. I’ve had a few arguments with people, and despite all their self indulgent whingeing and darvo I’ve kept it factual and on topic. Posting and reading on FWR has helped teach me to recognise the gaslighting and manipulation, and I actually find it rather easy now to pull it all apart. I doubt most of my Facebook friends have done more than skin past my posts, but if even a few have read them then I’ve helped spread the word.
We need to create a momentum, a ground swell of descent, to encourage more people out of the closet. If more people post then more people will feel safe to post. If we can’t have strength in numbers on the streets, we can try to create it on social media, and you can’t underestimate how influential social media is.
Let’s drag this whole thing out into the sunlight so everyone can have a look at it. There’s a good reason why TRA wanted to keep this under the radar and behind close doors, so let’s blow the lid off the whole thing.

I think we should be challenging Stonewall and other orgs more as to why they are trying to dismantle women's rights. We have written proof via FPFW that have tried very hard to get rid of EA exemptions for females.

Stonewall is a corporate organisation and not individual people so it's not bullying to ask them to be accountable.

Vulva is right, we could be using MN a lot more to get the message out. We need to get out onto AIBU and Chat a lot more.

But I think it'd be good to get seen IRL too. Then people will see that so called 'Terfs' are mainly just a collection of kindly, sensible mums, rather than the hate criminals we're portrayed as!

Further to my post above, the more of us who pick up the batten on Facebook, the more we normalise posting this stuff. Then the next time there is an article about wicked terfs and there evil transphobia, some other people might think twice before swallowing it, because X has posted about that, and X isn’t a wicked evil person.
I want to see other posts like mine popping up on my newsfeed. I don’t want to feel like the only person sticking my neck out. All I hear is the suppression of free speech and silencing, but if people don’t speak out then they silence themselves.TRAs have created a climate of fear so they get to control the narrative but we need to stop letting them. We need to control the narrative and sees the high ground. We have two recent polls, including one commissioned by our favourite LGBT media outlet, that say that the vast majority of the population doesn’t agree with this, so public opinion is on our side. We just have to be careful to frame it in a way that focuses on our concerns.
We must have a few clever techie women amongst us who can create some snappy Memes. Then they can be linked on here and shared on wider social media. Take a tip from Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes at the last election.

People may not be that bothered and they probably won’t complete the consultation, but they know commonsense when they see it.

Lots of good ideas. OK you've convinced me a March isn't a good idea after all.

I agree specific details should be kept in the other place or by pm but the generalities are ok to be discussed here I think.

Does anyone know what to fpfw is planning (generally) are they doing adverts or leaflets or was the money raised for challenging the GRA legallym? Is there a place for women meeting in separate towns to organise their own local leafletting campaigns?

I'm new to the forum but not MN and don't know where the other place is (but I do like the sound of it)
Keen to show support happy to be PMd if plans are afoot.

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Will bear in mind but keep posting

I am intending to print my own leaflets, something from a woman's place web site which outlines our demands. Then leaving them in changing rooms and loos etc, to spread the word. We need to contact women and girls directly and social media isnt going to work for us.

I will march but I think we need to gradually ramp it up until we have greater numbers. A mass stickering/poster campaign in loos etc would do that nicely I think. Plus some videos to be shared online, we could all have a go if we feel confident and have something to say. We don't have to show our faces. Mancheeze is great where she just films her laptop with the programme/video on and comments on it.

Exactly terfnserf

Let's do our own thing. Go in toilets with posters. Put bookmarks in parentalgenderworriedguidebooks in bookshops

Then leaving them in changing rooms and loos etc, to spread the word. We need to contact women and girls directly and social media isnt going to work for us.

YY. Great idea. Agree we can't rely on social media, we need a more grass roots approach.

Did I say trans people? TRA stands for transactivists. Do you see how it starts?

YY.

Yes, social media is so very important, but not everybody can be reached that way.

I really love the idea of posters in toilet cubicles and changing rooms. Although of course, the issues go well beyond where we wee. Where else could we leaflet?

Can't find exactly what I want on the web site, I am not good with words, can someone just post something I can cut and paste please? I live in a town with several library's so thinking I could infiltrate and put them in books. This is my first bit of activism ever ...was looking forward to a quiet and restful retirement...