Planet fitness bans another woman who objects to man in woman's locker room.

[noeffingidea]

Planet fitness (US) once again a man's wishes over the safety and privacy of their female clientele, and revokes a woman's membership when she complains.
Tell me again how this won't happen, and no one will abuse self ID

www.lifesitenews.com/news/planet-fitness-bans-woman-for-objecting-to-sharing-locker-room-with-transge

longtimelurkingtrans Appreciate your bravery posting your experience here I hope you have been able to get some counselling and support.

From experience the longer you leave it the harder it gets to talk about so do seek help. Im still affected by something that happened decades ago that I've never talked about to anyone irl and won't detail here as I'm afraid of another breach and being doxxed (will happily standby everything else I say here)

Thank you @Italian and @SpareRibFem. No I was too frightened to say to anyone at the time and when I went to DR in early 90's as an adult he was not much help either. Like most folks I/we just try and get on with it. Sorry you had from what it sounds a similar nasty experience and like me never told or was able to get help. My family hated my gayness and sort of blamed me for the first assault and so never mentioned the rape to them .

"My family hated my gayness and sort of blamed me for the first assault and so never mentioned the rape to them." I am so very sorry. Sorry for all young people whose families cannot understand them and sorry for all victims of crime where someone tries and blame the victim.

@longtimelurkingtrans this whole horrible mess of Self id is causing some terrible things to loom into view. One tiny bright spark is that I've never spoken to so many trans people before and I am so amazed at your strength, I mean that in a very genuine way. We must never lose sight of the real people behind all these debates and discussions, the real life situations. XX

I am also very sorry to hear of your expereince longtimelurking I am sorry that I missed it higher up the thread.

Sorry everyone for the thread hijack. i will bow out for now to allow thread to get back on track. And thank you seafret and italian and everyone else for message of support .

@longtimelurkingtrans you do not need to bow out, we can get back on track, but we need to remember we are all real people, with real life stories and lives and when you share things on here you deserve, at the very least, that we will acknowledge each other's pain. Please stay.

longtermlurkingtrans I feel sympathy for you and anger on your behalf. That blame is all too common.

I thin gyms and other places need to bite the financial bullet and build new unisex/gender neutral spaces for all people who wish to use them, as well as retaining the male and female spaces.

Non-binary people will never be happy with 'just' female and male spaces. Third safe, self-contained places like toilets and locker room changing spaces will be good for lots of people.

Any gym that really goes for this, respecting everyone would get massive brownie points (in my book).

@longtimelurkingtrans
Dont go. another sending hugs and flowers.

It is important that your voice is heard too.

Yes please do feel very welcome longtimelurking we are here because we care about people. And we understand that there are many complex issues that are being ignored or simplified in all this. And people being failed. Not a hijack at all.

Let's not forget that many transwomen have said that they will not accept anything less than the right to use women's changing rooms/toilets. The suggestion that they have their own is they say transphobic and literal violence.

AngryAttackKittens

The "well you can report them if they commit a crime" argument is a bit shit, honestly. If someone breaks into my house and stabs me then I will definitely report them, but filing a police report will not stop the bleeding.

Well said.
It also absolutely disregards the abysmal conviction rate for crimes against women, and that the woman is retraumatised throughout the legal process. Almost like the legal system is a patriarchal institution...

Regarding the source of this story: here in the US, the main sources of any news that is, shall we say, "trans critical," are generally right wing conservative watchdog groups or private blogs/feeds of radical feminists. And in my experience, they have typically been fairly accurate in their reporting. The mainstream media here simply WILL NOT touch stories of this nature. Even the ghastly murders of two lesbians and their child by a transwoman were not picked up in the national news.

Which leads me to an interesting observation: I've seen comments referencing conservative or religious groups in the UK as supporting the trans agenda as the ultimate "conversion therapy" for homosexuality. Here, right wing or religious groups remain some of the staunchest, most vocal organizations to oppose TRAs. Evangelical Christians I know view it as a true "abomination," perhaps far "worse" than homosexuality.

Unholy alliances are forming between lesbians/rad fems and the right wing, who have decided to put other issues aside to focus on opposition to this movement. Check out handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/

TRAs keep trying to spin that as radfems being right wing, but in fact it's more a sign that the excesses of the TRA movement have reached such a "water is wet" level of obviousness that even people who agree on absolutely nothing else can see that there is a huge fucking problem.

JUne 2nd 2018
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

(extract Mail on Sunday)
"Prison governors warned last night that transferring sex offenders who are born male but believe they are female into women’s jails could lead to vulnerable inmates being attacked.

The jail chiefs spoke out following Theresa May’s pledge last year to make it simpler to change gender, and to ‘streamline and demedicalise’ the proces"

But one governor, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: ‘My fear is that this could make it much harder to control the transfer of born-male, transgender prisoners to women’s prisons.

‘This could lead to vulnerable women being intimidated – and even attacked.’

The warning came as the Ministry of Justice confirmed that dozens of ‘trans-identified male’ prisoners are living as women in jails exclusively housing convicted sex offenders"

17th July 2018
www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804433/transgender-lag-sexually-abused-four-female-prisoners-days-after-arriving-at-west-yorkshire-jail
(extract Sun article)
"A TRANSGENDER prisoner has been accused of sexually assaulting four female inmates after being sent to a women’s prison

The first of the alleged attacks took place within days of her arriving at New Hall jail, Wakefield, West Yorkshire.

The inmate was sent there despite not having had gender reassignment surgery.

It is claimed she was visibly aroused when she allegedly assaulted the first inmate.

She was originally sent on remand to New Hall women’s prison after a judge heard how she had been living as a female for more than two years."

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons

Kittens,
YES! That is exactly correct! Individuals who are diametrically opposed and would typically have no common ground are so concerned about the consequences of this that they are willing to work together. (Which includes abortion and homosexuality...THAT'S how major this is!)

RedToothBrush's comment from a thread this morning:

"I'm with Natasha Chart on this:

On the subject of whether a woman is an adult human female, feminists have been made thoroughly unwelcome on the left. So if liberals think it’s very strange for feminists to work with conservatives, they should probably stop telling us to “drink bleach” or looking the other way as online mobs demand that we be fired.

I'm also with :

Part of having a feminist resistance to male power includes expanding the base of that resistance to other women, to women you have less in common with, to women you have nothing in common with. It means active, proselytizing dialogue with women of many different political viewpoints because their lives are worth what your life is worth.

That's why.

We have to go past the conventional political barriers, the lines that the men have drawn for us. "Our girls are over there; we'll call them Democrats, we'll call them socialists, we'll call them whatever we want to call them. Those girls are over there; that's their girls. The girls on our side aren't allowed to talk to the girls on their side." Well, if the girls on either side talked to the girls on the other side, they just might find out that they're being screwed the same way by the same kinds of men.

Andrea's talk is over 30 years old. That's how long we've been dealing with this divisive crap"

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291058--ManFriday-group-closing?pg=16

I have yet to listen to a talk by Andrea Dworkin that isn't still appropriate today. She was an amazing speaker.

If a man deliberately exposed himself intending to cause alarm or distress then he is committing the offence of exposure not voyeurism. I think he would find it very hard to argue he did not intend to cause alarm and was surprised when people were alarmed.

If you did mean a man, then he does not have a right to enter a changing room under the EA. If you meant a transwomen then this is clearly the case where the exceptions would apply.

Well that's rather chilling, isn't it? Ladydick presents no offence, because the owner of aforementioned ladydick, "identifies" as a lady, therefore no offence has been committed! That is precisely why we are outraged at the TRA "olive branch" of "reassurance". It's no assurance at all, precisely the opposite. It's frightening.

As for the first part. Oh FFS. Look up the rape conviction rate (been in the single digits for 30 years). Voyeurism, a lessor offence, likely has even less success.

Have you been doing lady long SarahAr? Because you have a misguided view of the realities of living while woman.

Yet again demonstrating the resounding clash between trans rights and the rights of women and girls @SarahAr 👏👏👏

Are you going to come back to the “transgirl at school” thread to expand on your view that a solution which respects the dignity and privacy of all young people involved is horribly transphobic?

If you did mean a man, then he does not have a right to enter a changing room under the EA. If you meant a transwomen then this is clearly the case where the exceptions would apply

I'm confused. If an individual with a cock between their legs displayed said cock to a woman or women in an uninvited and unwanted way it would only be a crime if the individual with the cock identified as a man? If he identified as a woman then exceptions would apply to any considerations of whether this was a crime?

Or am I missing something?

It is like giving men a get out of jail card: all they have to say is I am a woman, so bad luck on women if they don't want to see my ladydick.

Sorry everyone for the thread hijack. i will bow out for now to allow thread to get back on track. And thank you seafret and italian and everyone else for message of support

What a decent person you are.

I am sorry for your horrific experience.

I'm confused. If an individual with a cock between their legs displayed said cock to a woman or women in an uninvited and unwanted way it would only be a crime if the individual with the cock identified as a man? If he identified as a woman then exceptions would apply to any considerations of whether this was a crime?

Absolutely ludicrous, isn't it? Even more ludicrous that we're expected to give this kind of nonsense the time of day.

I'm so tired of this shit. I want to be able to chose when I see someone's dick and honestly the only one I chose to see is my husband's. The major reason obviously is many women's experience of seeing a dick when they don't chose is a precursor to being attacked but they are not actually attractive organs and I'm bewildered as to why men/Transwomen with what they have now termed a 'ladydick' [never going to get past this being a word straight out of O'Briens playbook in an updated 1984] want to show us them

I originally put 'think we want to see them' but of course men/TW with dicks know we don't want to see them so they know they are doing it out of either voyeurish or intimidation.