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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Doctor took one for the team, he isn't happy about pregnant people

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 01:22

Lost his career by the looks of this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5952625/Christian-doctor-fired-saying-people-choose-gender-reveals-speak-out.html

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 16:16

I am team stop self-ID.

I am team preserve safety, dignity and privacy of females.

I am team quit sterilisation of children.

I don't dictate who is and is not allowed to be on the same side and I want to win.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 16:17

This doctor’s position is anything but GC. It’s founded on a belief in god given gender that is a facet of sex. It’s what we have been living under as a country (England) since the normans... It is what GC people oppose...

Other people than GC people oppose the transgender ideology; gender being innate but not necessarily matching biological sex... If they believe in gender then GC people are opposed to their views, just like they are opposed to the transgender ideology.

Offred · 14/07/2018 16:21

If you are in a ‘team’ who wants to enforce binary gender roles as dictated by sex then that’s fine, it’s up to you... but it means you are not GC and shouldn’t assume GC people would want to be allied with you.

If you are GC and part of hand across the aisle in order to oppose the transgender ideology then again that’s up to you...

I will however not be allying myself with the Christian Right on any of this in any way.

LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 16:22

If you want to jump around the place looking for homophobia and sexism everywhere and want to jump around in outrage criticising every person with wrong thought that's up to you.

Some people are pleased to see others stick their head above the parapet at this point and raise public consciousness.

It's an imperfect world full of imperfect people who don't match your world view, they are allowed to share similar views as you and voice them.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 16:25

You don't know in total what I think or believe and you don't get to tell me who or what I get to label myself as, or even if I have a label.

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Babdoc · 14/07/2018 16:32

There seems a woeful lack of historical knowledge among some PPs. Christianity did not arrive in Britain with the Norman conquest, ffs! We still have plenty of Saxon churches, and long before that Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire, of which Britain was part until 410AD. St Augustine and St Columba brought the Roman and Celtic Christian churches respectively over here, and they were unified at the Synod of Whitby in 664AD, four centuries before the Normans.

Also, some PPs seem to think that Christians should not bring their beliefs to work. Our faith encompasses every aspect of our lives, it is not a hobby that is limited to an hour in church on Sundays! We cannot conveniently ignore it to try and fit in with atheists. That is why we have conscience clauses for doctors, so we can opt out when necessary or refer patients to another colleague.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/07/2018 16:33

If you want to jump around the place looking for homophobia and sexism everywhere and want to jump around in outrage criticising every person with wrong thought that's up to you.

Actually sexism and homophobia do matter to me. A lot. This doctor, like many other religious extremists, thinks that sex and gender are the same. He believes women should be defined by feminine sex role stereotypes and if they don't there's something wrong with us.

He is exactly the sort of person I have opposed all my life and I'm not going to change now.

Your OP is a very weird one for a feminist, LookTwoFingers, let alone a gender critical one.

It's a very weird thread too. We seem to be getting a lot of those recently. Hmm

LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 16:41

Weird yes and proud.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 16:51

Yes, they are... I’m surprised you could read anything I have said and come to the conclusion I believe they aren’t.

My point is that Christian activism (or any other ideological activism - Radical feminism included btw) has no place in the practice of medicine.

The further point is, I do not want to be considered in a ‘team’ with people who believe in upholding the gender caste system, just administrating it differently. I am as fundamentally opposed to their beliefs about gender as I am to the transgender ideology we have been seeing of late...

Offred · 14/07/2018 16:54

No, Christianity as national religion and law arrived in England with the Normans and set about reducing women’s status in society based on gender.

Christianity had been in Britain for a long time prior to that.

My point was about this doctor’s particular view of how gender relates to Christianity and when this started being imposed on the population in law.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 16:56

And yes, I do believe Christianity should not be brought into work. If people cannot accept the terms of employment because it conflicts with their belief do a different job.

Offred · 14/07/2018 17:15

If you value the right to belief (including non belief) then a secular society makes sense... all people then have to compromise a little but all people are protected from imposed ideology...

Unless you want to go back to needing priest holes, burning of heretics or have sharia law here...

LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 17:37

Who is proposing any of that on you? From my 'weirdo' perspective it's all in your own head.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 17:58

Err... well you might notice that the thread you started is about a doctor complaining that the DWP wouldn’t hire him because he stated his intention to prioritise his beliefs above the conditions of any employment that might be offered to him by them.

They decided he was not a suitable candidate for the position given he felt his beliefs dictated he could not address people during medical assessments for disability benefits how they wish to be addressed. He was not even being asked to medically treat them, simply assess their disability.

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