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Doctor took one for the team, he isn't happy about pregnant people

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 01:22

Lost his career by the looks of this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5952625/Christian-doctor-fired-saying-people-choose-gender-reveals-speak-out.html

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iklboo · 14/07/2018 11:12

I’d bet my life he’s come from general practice where doctors are more able to get away with this shit due to being contractors.

Wouldn't surprise me if he'd moved on pushed out of that either.

FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 11:15

Offred, well, quite.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 11:47

I have not only found his experience interesting, I have also found the comments here interesting.

Not all men are like that, not all trans people are like that, not all Christians are like that, a few in each category are a problem.

I am going to have a think about cliques/cults again.

I know that transiting children via sterilisation is wrong and females have a right to safely, dignity and privacy. I am going to have a think about all the extremist trans activism information that is shared here and ask myself some questions about extremism in general.

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thedancingbear · 14/07/2018 13:27

I'd be interested in knowing what his views are about homosexuality and abortion.

This is the problem - if you ally with this sort of shitbag on the trans issue, it gives them broader legitimacy. And that in turn bolsters their influence in areas where the real-world potential for harm is (I would argue) far greater.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 13:33

I'd be interested in knowing what his views are about homosexuality and abortion.

Look at Ireland, that is a Christian country, look at the sexuality of their PM and look at the recent vote they had on abortion. The views I read on here about Christianity don't fit with what I see in RL or fit with the above voting behaviour.

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thedancingbear · 14/07/2018 13:38

looktwofingers a third of Irish people - mainly the hardcore religious - voted to keep abortion illegal. Have a guess what category this guy is likely to fall into.

I don't understand why people feel the need to defend a nutjob just because their views happen (for completely different reasons) to coincide on one thing.

Offred · 14/07/2018 13:40

Worth posting this again... the team he has ‘taken one’ for is certainly not one I support... It’s the origin of the oppression of women by gender!

Doctor took one for the team, he isn't happy about pregnant people
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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 13:41

Why is he a nutjob?

Everyone is a nutjob according to some posters. It's a small portion of men, trans activists and so forth causing physical, and whole swaths of people are disregarded because of a small portion of people who don't full agree with you?

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 13:45

My objective and others may be different, I want to win. To win to me means retaining privacy, dignity and safety for females. To win to me means stopping the sterilisation of autistic and gay children. There will be no win whilst there is pushing away of reasonable trans activists, reasonable religious groups and reasonable right-wing press/activists.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 13:51

He doesn't agree with euthanasia, that fits with not agreeing with sterilisation of children, the first step in eugenics.

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thedancingbear · 14/07/2018 14:15

^For the “just” there is a resurrection to everlasting life, but for
the “unjust” there is everlasting torment in Hell. It is not a mercy
killing to precipitate a person into Hell.^

His reason for not agreeing with euthanasia is that it will mean some people go to 'everlasting torment in Hell' sooner than they may otherwise have done.

Give it up, twofingers. He's a total fruitcake.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 14:32

I don't believe in Hell. If he does, he does. Some people believe in communism, and many people deem them nutjobs. . I will work I don't agree with 100% with people for a common goal.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 14:32

It’s not a win at all if we just end up with a resurgence of gender based oppression from the Christian Right who believe that restrictive gender roles are innate and part of God’s plan...

Offred · 14/07/2018 14:33

Also, I’m not bothered what people believe either, I’m really quite bothered about people bringing their beliefs to work with them in medicine, law, politics especially...

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 14:34

A far right Christian government isn't going to be accepted any more than a hard left communist government in the UK, hence the current unstable government.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 14:41

Not what I was saying... I think it is unacceptable for people to practice ideological activism based on personal beliefs, at work, when it is contrary to the confines of the role.

That’s an entirely different to whether we are going to have a govt of that.

The fact remains however that the majority of our laws and cultural attitudes re morality have their foundations in Christianity. The idea of gender comes from Christianity and it still pervades society that women are born loving care work and make up etc... it hasn’t gone away.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 14:57

Make-up was historically a status symbol for men and women, I don't buy that coming from the Jesus.

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 15:01

m.youtube.com/watch?v=i8e5D83P6UI

History of make-up, Author on make-up, Lisa Eldridge.

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Offred · 14/07/2018 15:15

Again you miss the point. I know what is considered feminine and what is considered masculine changes over time (this proves it is not innate). The point is that the Norman invasion brought with it Christianisation of England, the idea that masculinity and femininity (gender) were innate and god given and lawmaking which created structures dependent on this.

Offred · 14/07/2018 15:16

Caring and makeup etc is the current feminine standard...

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 15:19

www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/uk_1.shtml

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Offred · 14/07/2018 15:23

Yes, I know, prior to the Normans England was disparate and more diverse. With the Normans came Christian law making and national religion for the first time, the Church was effectively the law and remnants of this remain throughout our culture and our legal system to this day.

That is my whole point...

Offred · 14/07/2018 15:25

Do you think it is acceptable for Christian activism to be allowed in the practice of medicine?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/07/2018 15:34

When you say Dr Mackereth "took one for the team", to which team are you referring, LookTwoFingers?

Because from reading the article, the "team" to which the doctor belongs is that of homophobic and sexist fundamentalist religion. There's nothing gender critical about his beliefs. He thinks gender is real. But his thinking is muddled.

He believes that once same-sex marriage became legal in 2014, attention was turned to the next gender-related issue.

Gay marriage is not gender related. Like most people these days, he uses gender and sex as synonyms which is a bit depressing in a doctor. He should know better.

Still he's lost the chance to work for the DWP which, if he really holds actual Christian values, is a good thing from his point of view as there's nothing either compassionate or merciful about the work he'd be asked to do by the department.