Have any of you seen the thread by AngryBird on Twitter?

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I'm not sure who she is? I'm sure some of you probably know here (she/her, I'm not sure how she would like to be addressed, but I'm happy to be corrected).

I just think it's so sad to see how transexuals have been chucked under the bus by the new genderfeelz crap.

I don't do twitter, but I think this is the whole thread

I saw it via Graham Linehan's feed.

Yes, I just stumbled across it too and was wondering where to mention it. A brave TW telling it how it really is.

I read it too, again linked from Graham. Very powerful stuff. Finally it seems some are feeling as though the time is right to speak out.

Wow that is powerful and gives an extremely detailed insight into the background of the trans takeover. I like the term "Trutrans"

Maybe we, too, need to take back that word: Trutrans, truthspeak, trugender, trufacts, anti-truth...

And to think the government is actually seeking to get rid of the "antiquated" term transexual. Not just lesbians and women but transexuals are being erased.

This will surely come back to haunt governments worldwide, because, as angry birds makes clear, genital dysphoria is actually a serious medical condition and can't just be swept under the carpet.

There's an interesting analogy here too: we (myself and many other GC women) have long supported transexuals until the umbrella was extended so to speak.

Let's just hope that more and more transexuals peak trans, as the general public and handmaidens are much more likely to listen to them than listen to us.

I don't think the new "woke" public will listen to them.

It's unfashionable to be transexual. Or lesbian. Or feminist. Or even a woman it seems

But don't members of the public on the whole still believe that transgender means transexual? ie that most have surgery or at least have genital dysphoria.

I don't think most of the public is 'woke'. I'm not even sure most young people are. Some young people live in a real-ish world where they encounter stuff like old fashioned sexism and are busy dealing with limiting gender stereotypes.

That was a well thought out thread. It reminds me of some of the boys I used to play with at school - wonder where they are now.....

These people do need to have their voice heard. They are being drowned out by the hard line activists who claim to represent them and trampled under foot in their rush to validate wacky bullying behaviour and the wants of criminals.

Great tweet.
I have to hope that people will listen to those with true personal experience of gender dysphoria. They can see the difference.

Thanks for posting that. I've bookmarked it to send to my MP, who informed me in a tone of virtuous superiority, that transexual was an outdated term that they (the Labour Party) were going to do away with.

Voices like AngryBird's are so important, and need to be heard.

I like the use of the 'false umbrella' - as opposed to Baronesss Featherwotsit and her 'faux feminists'

I agree that most of the public don't agree with the new version of "trans" - anyone I know presumes trans means post-op until I explain it all at great length When I talk about the new woke public I mean the loud-mouthed in-your-face crap that is being spouted on Social Media, and sadly being enshrined in law.

That’s the sinister thing about the movement. Joe Public assume ‘trans’ means people like Angrybird, people with a serious mental illness for whom surgery and hormones and living as a woman are the correct treatment. We have historically welcomed them into our spaces because they pose no threat and are just trying to live their lives.

In fact the vast majority of trans males now are heterosexual men with a fetish, or just narcissists, or ‘incels’ who’ve discovered a nifty way to get chicks (so they think). It’s obscene.

Joe Public then assume us narsty terfs are objecting to the transsexuals and so of course we are bigoted and mean. And the TRAs then compound this with their hyperbole about literal violence and people wanting them dead.

It’s really quite horrifying.

82% of the UK agrees with AngryBird that trans should mean transsexual (ie be a medical diagnosis) not transgender (a marketing term invented to include the cross dressers). As Pink News recently told us.

I remember AngryBird. When they first started saying this stuff they were chased off Twitter by the Followers of Gender. Glad to see they came back.

I feel so sorry for what is happening to all those in angrybird’s position. I totally agree that it is not just women’s rights that are at risk but trans rights and sexuality, anything dependent on sex. All those rights are equally important to me.

I’m grateful they wrote that thread and I understand not wanting to, or not feeling up to, wading into twatter! I closed my account even though I had never written anything GC on there!

It makes me so sad... I can’t write anything brilliantly pithy about the ideology behind this...

I follow quite a few transsexuals (or truscum as TRAs like to call them) on Twitter who agree with Angrybird and more seem to be emerging - I get the feeling there are a lot who talk to each other as well.

Angrybird used to be involved in some transgender organisation (I forget which) and was quite well known as an activist but then she saw how transgenderism was going and what was happening, was horrified and left it all. She's had quite a rough time of it as a result as you can imagine.

There are a lot of angry, bemused, worried - and ignored - transsexuals out there because of the activities of the TRAs

That's a very moving piece. The problem is that TRAs have deliberately sowed confusion in the public mind. Most people think of "transgender" people as trans-sexuals - people with a strong sense of being born in the wrong body who desperately want to pass as the opposite sex, and usually have surgery and hormones. They don't realise that "transgender' largely refers to people who are simply cross-dressers. So any woman who says I don't want to share female spaces with transgender people sounds like a nasty, mean old transphobe.

There is so much in that thread I agree with, but this really resonates Expanding and giving more rights to ‘gender expressionists’ will never be enough for them. They’ll demand more. Rights means power and power is intoxicating

hack I agree there has been a blurring and misuse of language which is deliberate in order to confuse.

It's interesting to note what posters are NOT on threads like this.

Certain posters-who-shall-not-be-named have been prolific on almost every thread in FWR over the last few weeks, but are noticeably absent from any thread where transsexuals are speaking up. A cynical person might wonder if they don't care about the wrong sort of trans person

Calls to be ‘visible and proud of being trans’ were also defying the whole purpose of our transition as ultimately we all always wanted to integrate seamlessly and live as ordinary women without drawing any unnecessary attention to ourselves.

This is what trans don't get. This is why trans ideology is misogynistic. This is why we, with stereotypical female gendered behaviour, had no issues accepting transsexuals until the trans ideology, with stereotypical male gendered behaviour, started shoving people around.

Expanding and giving more rights to ‘gender expressionists’ will never be enough for them. They’ll demand more. Rights means power and power is intoxicating

Exactly. Even they don't really believe in gender identities. They just want to be free to be in charge and hate what they can't become.

I'm tempted to print that out and send it to my MP.

AngryBird (Amanda Dee) was a founde of TransOxford.

She is a trans woman.

She spoke out after the protests against WPUK in Oxford (April), describing it as when 'the bullies became the bullied' and issued a statement:

"l‘m not condemning the meeting of @WomansPlaceUK but the shameful campaign of bullying and intimidation organised by the students and transactivists outside of the QuakerHouse.
I’ve studied in Oxford, once a capital of freethought and freespeech, known for its fair debates with respect to the opinions of one’s opponents and refreshingly skilful and witty arguments challenging their views.

Bullying, although surfacing occasionally, was never welcome, especially, in the LGBT circles having too many victims of it knowing only too well how much it hurts. But last night the tables have turned - and the bullied became the bullies

I founded TransOxford in 2015 to promote the greater unity and more extensive communications between the separate transgender groups some of which had no idea of the others existing in the same city.

It eventually became a connecting hub between the trans groups in London Brighton, Reading, Swindon, Bristol, Bath.

I was promoting unity and understanding between these groups and the society around them, acceptance and equality and, most importantly, social integration of trans people with the rest of the world." (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

See this article by Professor Michale Biggs (Sociology Dept Oxford) which describes the context and Amanda Dees statement.
He concludes:
'I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech.'

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation?

I thought this was great and I was even more pleased that Graham Linehan retweeted it (he is getting a lot of flack for doing so though if anyone is on Twitter and wants to support him).

The tragedy to me is that before men started demanding things of us and trampling all over our boundaries in this debate, I'd happily have treated transsexuals like Angry Bird as honorary women. Which makes no logical sense as I believe being female is simply a biological reality and not some kind of membership of an exclusive club. But there you go; I'm compassionate and recognise transsexuals are mostly trying to live their lives quietly and deal with what is a very devastating disorder. I'm sure many here have the same reaction.

There is a huge difference between freely inviting someone into your safe spaces as a compassionate act and being forced to accomodate people because they're using intimidation and violence to get their own way.

Consent....who'd have thought it was such a difficult concept to grasp, eh?