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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have any of you seen the thread by AngryBird on Twitter?

35 replies

Maryzsnewaccount · 13/07/2018 08:07

I'm not sure who she is? I'm sure some of you probably know here (she/her, I'm not sure how she would like to be addressed, but I'm happy to be corrected).

I just think it's so sad to see how transexuals have been chucked under the bus by the new genderfeelz crap.

I don't do twitter, but I think this is the whole thread

I saw it via Graham Linehan's feed.

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Waddlelikeapenguin · 13/07/2018 10:53

I saw that thread, I thought it was brilliant.
I do admire the transexuals who are speaking out there are so few of them & the abuse they get is appalling. I hope they are able to support each other.

R0wantrees · 13/07/2018 11:00

See current thread:

OP @TruscumTeen wrote:
"I want to start this off by saying that I am transsexual, and that I am in no way intending to offend people - I merely wish to explain why it is extremely important to acknowledge this fact.

For a long time now I have been reading threads from this talk topic. I used to be somewhat of a very politically correct SJW, however I had my eyes opened by these threads (thank you all for that, by the way).

I find it completely and utterly absurd that stating biological facts is now considered "transphobic", and that people actually accept the self-identification of people declaring themselves as trans. I am extremely aware that I am biologically female, and that I always will be. I strongly, strongly disagree with self-identification, and with the idea that transgenderism is not the result of a mental illness.

So, firstly, a definition:
Mental illness = a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.
Now, in the title I put the word "gender" in quotations. This is because transsexuals like myself experience SEX dysphoria - not dysphoria of a social construct.
So, SEX dysphoria causes extreme discomfort and distress. It can lead to other mental illnesses such as eating disorders, depression, anxiety and suicidality. It results in people wanting to mutilate their own bodies. SEX dysphoria literally fits the definition of a mental illness.

Just a quick "rant": We all find it atrocious when people say things like "oh, I'm so OCD"; "you are skinny, so obviously are anorexic", or when people self-diagnose themselves with mental illnesses. So why do people find it acceptable in this case? I see it all the time: "I want short hair, so I'm gender dysphoric"; "I love wearing make up - I must have gender dysphoria". It totally makes a mockery of people who actually have SEX dysphoria, who face a continous struggle against themselves.

Now on to why this fact is important:

If we declasssify SEX dysphoria as a mental illness, we face the inevitability of widespread self-identification. There are so many problems with this (I'll just mention a few):

As many of you will know, there have been documented cases where males self-identify as women and go on to abuse females in supposedly "safe spaces". None of these abusers will have dysphoria, yet are considered "trans" - disagree and you are a bigot.

Males can self-identify as women and threaten lesbians into sleeping with them. This is downright disgusting, and is a real problem.

Declasssifying it will mean removing the treatments (hormones, surgery) from the NHS, having a disastrous, detrimental affect on transsexuals - such as myself -who experience debilitating SEX dysphoria. We cannot afford tens of thousands of pounds in order to alleviate the symptoms of our mental illness. This will lead to a huge increase in transsexual suicides (REAL suicides, not the debunked, skewed current claims), which will be hidden and overlooked due to shouts of a "progressive society" from transactivists and transtrenders.

This is just a relatively brief overview of why acknowledging dysphoria as a mental illness is important. I apologise for the rambling, inarticulate and probably incoherent nature of my post. I am more than happy to answer questions/debate if that is what people wish (though probably tomorrow as I am tired). I just wanted to vocalise my views, as there is a minority of us genuine transsexuals in the "community" who are constantly berated and insulted for stating facts.

Also, to every woman posting in Feminism Chat - I agree with you wholeheartedly and stand with you."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301971-Gender-Dysphoria-Is-A-Mental-Illness

BettyDuMonde · 13/07/2018 11:01

Everyone I know in real life thinks all transfolk are like Angry Bird - I did too, and for ages I refused to look further into the stuff my feminist friends were trying to show me.

I was a boiled frog.

Rose of Dawn, who is a young transsexual (younger than me) has posted videos on YouTube that also plot the changing timeline. She seems to know a lot about all the weird stuff going on within the NUS and is very clear and easy to listen to when doing something else. Will go find a link.

BettyDuMonde · 13/07/2018 11:04

m.youtube.com/user/AshleeK9/videos?flow=list&sort=da&view=0

These should be in the order Rose uploaded them, but skip to the ‘what does the co opting the trans movement look like’ for the one most relevant to Angy Birds twitter thread.

R0wantrees · 13/07/2018 11:06

See also Rose of Dawn's most recent video:

"The phrase 'truscum' is often used against transsexuals who disagree with the gender radical agenda. But what does it actually mean? I dispel some of the strange and slanderous accusations levelled at truscum such as myself."

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=135&v=UCIQSEGJ66A

She comments:
twitter.com/Rose_Of_Dawn

R0wantrees · 13/07/2018 11:09

X post BettyDu Grin

Maryzsnewaccount · 13/07/2018 11:45

Bloody hell, I just looked at Rose of Dawns twitter feed.

Who the fuck is Tom Wilson, and is he really saying what he appears to be saying? I don't want to screenshot, and I'm certainly not clicking on him Shock

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ErrolTheDragon · 13/07/2018 12:09

Wow, that's a powerful and clear statement from TruscumTeen. I do hope people with sex dysphoria get heard properly instead of being shouted over.

LookTwoFingers · 13/07/2018 12:56

There is a huge difference between freely inviting someone into your safe spaces as a compassionate act and being forced to accomodate people because they're using intimidation and violence to get their own way.

Consent....who'd have thought it was such a difficult concept to grasp, eh?

Indeed.

LauraMipsum · 13/07/2018 13:46

Who the fuck is Tom Wilson, and is he really saying what he appears to be saying?

Yes, he is, but I'm not sure whether he is
a) a right-wing troll attempting to discredit the entire LGBT+ movement by associating it with abuse, or
b) an actual abuser seeking validation.

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