Radical feminism - the coolest game in town. Always has been.

[Jeanhatchet]

You know it. Stop messing about now with all the man inclusivity daftness. We haven't got much time.

Men have never given feminist women a damn thing. They just like the t shirts.

We have taken every right we have by campaigning and shouting and marching and lobbying and writing and petitioning and tweeting and posting and setting up services on just £1.65 and a can of pop in Susan's kitchen on a rainy Thursday. But with incredible strength and determination round those women's tables.

Some women have been fighting to halt the trans assault on women's rights for a very very long time. Years. I wanted to acknowledge those brave and bold women who began to openly tweet about this way way back years ago. When folk either ignored them or threatened them. This stuff isn't new.

However - to Mumsnet. You are important and you have raised awareness. You've stuck your necks out. You've begun to realise in bigger numbers that this stuff threatens the very foundations of why you're here. I thank you for that. And I've only been here 5 minutes. I still can't quote posts or work out what the hell is the point of AIBU.

But you've been so supportive. Thanks again.

Right. We haven't got much time. Women are fierce and we are determined but when faced with the massively funded and corporately organised resources of the trans dominated Stonewall and Pink News et al ..... in comparison we are still sat round Susan's kitchen with a can of pop and £1.65.

Do what you can as loudly as you can. Tell your friends. Tell your office. Tell the women at the school gates. At your yoga class. Tell the butcher and the post woman. Share stuff. Keep challenging the narrative. Keep defending our rights to spaces free of men. Back your lesbian sisters when they refuse to be erased. Donate cash to fund raisers. Sign petitions. Tell the men to step back because we are a bit busy to worry about their needs just now.

Be brave. Be certain. Women will help you and they will fight for you to still call
yourselves women and have space that belongs just to you.

Come in to Susan's kitchen. No men allowed.

okey-dokey!

I think that is a beatiful call to arms Jean.

YY well said.

Yes am telling everyone I meet - and complaining when I see articles like one recent one extolling the rights of male midwives with no mention of women's rights fir privacy plus women only environments.

He dismisses any suspicions of a male midwife of course as unfounded because of course he's not a predator - and we're supposed to take this male at his word - a male midwife academic with zero male students - how can any university justify that student / teacher ratio- zero students? Anyway I digress -

yes we haven't much time and we will need to take to the streets to protect and enlarge single sex segregation for women only - and I'm not going to get into semantics - no men

Hardly radical is it??

I'll be there! Does Susan have biscuits or do we need Sweary to grab some?

Yup. We need to be strategic too. Think about the best ways to make progress. I am very guilty of just faffing about on MN and Twitter.

YY, to all of the above.

Happy to join you in Susan’s Kitchen and thank you to all the women who’ve been slogging away at raising awareness.

With the OP all the way.

what the hell is the point of AIBU.
I think AIBU is quite inspired, for women. Isn't it the kind of thing we preface a complaint with, all the time? When we know bloody well that we're not being unreasonable? Apart from amusing ones, it's a place where women can figure out if they're being gaslit. I used to wonder if I was crazy - a quick post on AIBU would have assured me I wasn't.

Well said, Jean. Am bringing chocolate chip digestives!

@SwearyGodmother has posh hummus at her kitchen table. It’s yum.

Brilliant.

Love Susan's kitchen, she always shines her sink.

I've been trying to get brave enough to come out on FB as gender critical. I've done a bit of serious questioning about the sports stuff because it's so ludicrous that it's safe.

My work could be affected if I was seen to be a Terf. So, I'm looking for gentle ways to nudge my friends - generally a lefty, right on, outraged about Pride being delayed, lot.

Am thinking of asking an innocent question - "I've been reading about Pride and I don't understand. When did it become an issue for a lesbian to be defined as a "adult homosexual woman"? What is a lesbian now?"

Am sick of pretending that the trans community don't have the same rights as the rest of us. Not denying they are discriminated against, not denying that they have difficulties because of their trans status, or that trans people living outside the UK don't have bigger issues about lack of basic human rights...but, here everyone enjoys the same protections under the law. It REALLY annoys me seeing "trans rights are human rights" because it implies that the law supports everyone equally.

I am also sick of hearing that terfs are "outing" transwomen. You don't pass, mate. Sorry, I know you don't want to hear it, but, you really don't. Maybe in a photograph with good lighting and a bit of photoshop, but, when you are out and about, talking, moving - transmen have hips and transwomen have cocks.

I am a woman. Society has always defined my tribe by my genitals. Get over it, get out of my way and hear me roar.

oops. typo - meant "doesn't support" everyone equally.

If I agree to stay out of the kitchen can I have a can of Pop too?

"I've been reading about Pride and I don't understand. When did it become an issue for a lesbian to be defined as a "adult homosexual woman"? What is a lesbian now?"

I'd probably add to that "surely anyone who wants to have sex with both people with penises and people with vulvas is bisexual (or pan...)? They should be proud of that, bisexual erasure is a bad thing"

Thanks Jean. Your rep's talk at the Let a Woman Speak event is one of the few that I feel able to share with anyone, wherever they stand on this issue.

Anyone who watches it and calls us bigots afterwards has a heart of stone.

I have donated again to FPFW. 3 days left for the crowd funder, and it's having a surge of donations.

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/the-campaign-to-save-sex-based-rights

I donated direct to FPFW via their paypal because it was more effective (less creamed off for fees).

I hadn't seen the donation page before. Done. Thank you for sharing

You are so right OP

Radfems are the most rock n roll, the most punk in town!

I can't help thinking about how we'll look back on this in years to come.

The attitude

The disobedience

I love the fact that young middle age - to elderly women are the most defiant, punk rock demographic of all.

All the obedient, compliant youngsters need to watch and fucking learn!

I don't care about being cool but I guess that's why I'm not a feminist of any description.

Gosh, Beyond that's a really important point!

wish I'd thought of that

This completely negates bisexuality. Though, I'll confess to being a bit confused by pan-sexual still. My daughter's friend describes herself as "pan" - makes me think of someone who finds Mr Tumnus particularly alluring.

I confess I did find Mr Tumnus a bit foxy in the recent Narnia movies. And then had an existential moment of angst about genitalia. Which would no doubt have impressed Riley Dennis.

I saw myself as a bit of a crap feminist, certainly not a radical one. Then the world went batshit crazy and all of a sudden I found myself in the radical camp, and a full-blown revolting woman. I don't just roar, I bite, but if you let me in the kitchen I bring him.

Aaargh! Bloody autocucumber. I do not bring 'him', I bring GIN.

Room at the table for a Crone?

I have elderflower gin. And tales of the 1970s and 1980s to impart.