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Trans teaching assistant

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SentimentalGift · 10/07/2018 17:16

Williams had been employed 10 years and was initially approached by two female administrators about the images in April 2016.

Mr Phillips said: 'Staff members were saying 'I don't think this is proper, it's disgusting, it makes my stomach turn'.'

'In North Wales, while working as a teaching assistant, female colleagues made complaints to management, forbidding me from using female toilets and changing rooms.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5938547/Transgender-teaching-assistant-faces-thrown-profession-porn-accusation.html

Why would women object to sharing spaces with this person?

Dr Williams, also known as Jane, accused colleagues at the school of discriminating against her.

She also said she was subject to prejudice because she was transgender.

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QueenNovo · 10/07/2018 17:20

Trans is a red herring. I'm a TA and we were told our national governing body takes things like inappropriate social media conduct very seriously and we could be at real risk of being removed from the register if anything dodgy was shared publicly. Anyone with this lack of judgement shouldn't be working with children no matter what gender they identify as.

Dragoncake · 10/07/2018 17:27

I'm not sure that trans is relevant to the disciplinary procedures here either.

I can understand why female colleagues would object to sharing toilets and changing rooms with a male they believed to have a sexually motivated cross dressing fetish (if that's what happened).

loveyouradvice · 10/07/2018 17:33

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5938547/Transgender-teaching-assistant-faces-thrown-profession-porn-accusation.html

Hopefully a clicky link ... it would appear - though not entirely clear - that they complained about how they were treated as a transgender woman AFTER they discussed the pornographic images with them.... in which case another lapse of judgement

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SentimentalGift · 10/07/2018 17:44

Why were these incidents - distressing I am sure - brought into the hearing?

'A later FOI request revealed she had reported concerns to Social Workers about a child accompanied by 'a man dressed as a woman'.

Was the report about a concern and then a description of the person added to the concern of was the concern about the type of clothing worn as per the Twitter account, around a child? Rhetorical question.

'Last year, on our way to a Pride event, a van was driven at my partner and I, forcing us to scatter while the driver hurled abuse from his window.'

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Materialist · 10/07/2018 17:55

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JumblieGirl · 10/07/2018 17:57

As a teacher, I’d have expected any member of staff modelling for porn or top shelf magazines to be up for disciplinary or dismissal. There have been keefuffles in the past with pole dancing teachers on hen nights and social media, and they were just doing it for fun, not as a career.

Deathgrip · 10/07/2018 17:58

Are you saying that a biologically female TA wouldn’t be pushed to resign if there were pornographic videos of them being circulated?

IAmLurkacus · 10/07/2018 18:02

Is the problem here not that she appeared on twitter Stark Bollock Naked, not that she’s trans?

‘Single mother’? ODFOD

BeUpStanding · 10/07/2018 18:02

Er... This person describes themselves as a 'single mum'. How?!

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/07/2018 18:04

Even if they did model for porn - they told their colleagues?

AncientLights · 10/07/2018 18:04

How many teaching assistants are entitled to style themselves 'doctor '? Seems odd.

Dragoncake · 10/07/2018 18:11

It's quite possible that Williams has experienced street harassment. Disgraceful, of course.

It's impossible to say whether the 'man dressed as a woman' comment was the nurse's description of a child's carer who sparked safeguarding concerns (acceptable). Or whether Williams' dress sense was the concern (unacceptable).

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/07/2018 18:26

Having seen some of the 'arty poses' on twitter by those of the trans persuasion, I have to say if I'd seen my teacher naked at that angle, I'd be hard pushed to take them altogether seriously going forward.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/07/2018 18:26

It's quite possible that Williams has experienced street harassment. Disgraceful, of course.

Yes, and they should do what women are told to do, which is to report it.

EmptyOrchestra · 10/07/2018 18:34

I used to work with a trans woman who’s a “single Mum” and likes to empathise with all the single mums in local parenting groups, about how hard it is being a mum and dealing with the shit work... except they have never lived with the child or had contact with them until they were an adult. It’s not surprising that this upsets people but everyone clearly feels they have to support the statements.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2018 18:43

How many teaching assistants are entitled to style themselves 'doctor '? Seems odd.

It's entirely possible this person has a properly earned PhD.

I would hope the van driver was caught and prosecuted, that sort of behaviour- very likely transphobic/homophobic- is completely unacceptable but it's irrelevant to the fitness to practice. Two wrongs don't make a right.

AngryAttackKittens · 10/07/2018 18:53

Like Jumblie said, pretty sure this is nothing to do with transphobia and a female staff member would also have been let go in the same circumstances.

Imchlibob · 10/07/2018 18:53

No excuse for the violence and abuse this person has suffered - that is absolutely unacceptable but is unrelated to the disciplinary.

The employment disciplinary is due to having chosen to appear in explicit pornographic images whilst being employed as a Teaching Assistant which shows a startlingly poor judgement and lack of understanding of boundaries. That is not discrimination, I would expect the same outcome whatever the shape of genitals and style of dress/pronoun preference pertaining to the person in question.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2018 18:55

There was a well publicised case of a professor jumping before he was pushed resigning after someone noticed him in porn films. Straight white male afaik.

Hoppinggreen · 10/07/2018 18:55

Trans phobia is unacceptable
So is posing for pornographic pictures while working in a school

BettyDuMonde · 10/07/2018 19:33

A secretary at a school my sister used to teach at was let go/allowed to resign in similar circumstances.

If the abusive language on the locker etc is true that should really be a seperate police matter? It’s unacceptable anyway.

The rest is all just safeguarding/normal for people around children though, no?

Dommina · 10/07/2018 19:48

I feel for her. She's had a horrid experience of harassment. She didn't upload the photos, and presumably didn't ask for them to appear, might be linked to the harassment? I understand why the disciplinary happened though. Sticky situation.

BettyDuMonde · 10/07/2018 19:55

That’s the problem with doing sexy pictures - they come back to haunt you later :/

It’s the same for women/men/trans/non trans though. Sexy pics in the public sphere make for work disciplinaries for all.

Hopefully a new job has been found, one that isn’t threatened by such images.

AncientLights · 10/07/2018 19:56

Errol, yes it is possible. Just seems strange. But then the whole thing isn't exactly run-of-the-mill.

Mossandclover · 10/07/2018 20:37

Foi requests do not deal with information on an individual level.

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