I clicked on this thread to check if the perpetrator was a woman and...

[NotMeOhNo]

...this person is a trans woman. Yet another violent crime attributed to women unless you read the buried details.

www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/i-m-going-to-kill-a-lot-of-people-wrote-woman-accused-of-axe-attack-court-hears-20180709-p4zqeq.html

*sorry, clicked on article not thread

So much is wrong with that article (the circumstances which led to it, I mean, not the article itself)

What’s your point? Women commit awful crimes every day, so do men, so do trans men and women?

He [the defence barrister] said Ms Amati, who was born a man, began taking hormones in 2012 to transition to a woman but the drugs had a significant effect on her state of mind.

He said Ms Amati's mental state deteriorated in 2015, when she had surgery in Thailand to complete her transition to a woman, and she began to experience visions, hallucinations and suicidal and homicidal ideation.

I think this quote speaks for itself.

What’s your point? Women commit awful crimes every day, so do men, so do trans men and women?

Yes, but nobody should be attributing crimes committed by men, to women. Because that skews the statistics and makes it look like women are much more violent than they are. It increases the perception of women as being 'deserving' of violence the more violent they are, where as they aren't, it is men being reported as being women.

My point? Yes, women and men commit crimes just the same, yeah, same rate, you couldn't ever sort of say that one sex is more likely to be an axe attacker than another really, I mean there's no precedents or statistics or anything, no, oh no. Just a bunch of people committing violent crime.

Someone needs to dig out the 6 cases of women raping last year. I thought the criminal justice system was supposed to be a matter of public record, but it seems to be obscured. I only remember one case of joint enterprise and that was a big deal.

"He said Ms Amati, who was born a man, began taking hormones in 2012 to transition to a woman but the drugs had a significant effect on her state of mind.
He said Ms Amati's mental state deteriorated in 2015, when she had surgery in Thailand to complete her transition to a woman, and she began to experience visions, hallucinations and suicidal and homicidal ideation".

Let's say this is true. It could very well be. MDA on top of other drugs to help the person to transition.

Doesn't this give anyone in government pause to think for even a second? That these drugs and surgery (and I am going to guess that there is little communication between doctors in Thailand and Australia regarding the mental state of a transgender patient) could contribute to someone setting out to kill others.

Confidence the point is that women's violent crime statistics will be inaccurate and skewed.

It's also important to note that the article suggests that the perpetrator's mental health massively declined post-operatively and after hormone therapy. There's an increasing level of evidence to suggest that we don't have enough data on the affects of blockers and HT on the male body.

These drugs are being endorsed and encouraged for children and teenagers too,

Now there’s a surprise.

@RogerAllamsFangirl do you mean that the psychological impact of transitioning is possibly the cause?

I agree - should not be a crime attributed to a woman

Were the hormones that 'had a significant effect on her state of mind' prescribed by a doctor or bought online unverfied I wonder?

Sorry I am so slow at posting the thread has moved on.

What tells said

It was interesting reading the comments from the article a couple of weeks ago of the attack at the London underground station. So many men were positively gleeful at being able to say 'women are just as violent as men, told you so'. It give men an excuse to be misogynistic and yes that will translate into violence against women in some cases.

Also it prevents effective policy being developed to understand and prevent crime and help victims of crime.

What hmcAsWas said x

The point ConfidenceKnocked is that is a very physically violent crime that is being attributed to a woman, and it is a type of crime that is highly highly unlikely to have been carried out by a biological woman.

However it is being attributed to women and you have to go a long way down the article to find out it wasn't committed by a biological woman, although honestly it was pretty obvious as soon as you start to read the description of the violence to realise it wasn't going to be a biological woman.

I wonder how many more women will peak when more and more reports like this are made public?

And it'll be too late to protest...

I mean that her own barrister said that the hormone treatment contributed to the poor mental state in which, according to the barrister, she committed the crime.

If that treatment can have such an awful effect on someone's mental health then it raises massive questions about the safety of the treatment. It shows that we need much more research into the whole question of hormone therapy before we start normalising the idea that you can use hormones to change sex. This poor woman has been failed utterly with tragic consequences for her and her victims.

Barring Lizzie Borden, how many women have ever been charged with attacking someone with an axe? A quick internet search reveals endless incidents of men doing such a thing and none of women. Not conclusive of course, but it is utterly absurd to suggest that women do violent acts like this at the same rate as men.

There is a strong link between depression & wanting to transition to a different sex-this is very worrying-this poor chap was clearly not getting the emotional support they needed. Crime must absolutely be reported accurately. (almost seems a crime to report it inaccurately)

Ooooh the fucking glee of men who see this kind of thing and get all smug saying "you see, women are just as bad!" And "I bet she'll get off lightly" really just fucks me off

And yes absolutely the fact that this is reported as a woman's crime goes to show the danger of changing the meaning of words. Women's crime statistics become dangerously skewed and incorrect conclusions drawn from incorrect data if men's crimes are reported as women's crimes.

There is a petition about the accurate recording of crime in the UK

www.change.org/p/sajid-when-men-are-arrested-charge-their-crime-as-a-male-crime-not-their-self-identified-gender

I really hope the UK Gov't understands womens concerns about incorrect reporting of crime. Just because the law currently allows a male identifying as a woman, to be legally classed as a woman-when that person commits a serious crime the truth must be reported, regards their biological sex.