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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I clicked on this thread to check if the perpetrator was a woman and...

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NotMeOhNo · 09/07/2018 18:39

...this person is a trans woman. Yet another violent crime attributed to women unless you read the buried details.

www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/i-m-going-to-kill-a-lot-of-people-wrote-woman-accused-of-axe-attack-court-hears-20180709-p4zqeq.html

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Crikeyblimey · 09/07/2018 19:43

Signed.

Ihuntmonsters · 09/07/2018 19:47

I assume that this individual's trans status has only been reported because their defense lawyer has decided to use it as part of their case. This statement: "It's not whether the body of Evie Amati was guilty of the charges, but whether the mind, brain, soul of Evie Amati bore any legal or moral responsibility for the body's actions," is extraordinary but also I think the logical extension of what is fundamentally a religious ideology where bodies are held to be irrelevant and individuals "mind, brain, soul" can say whatever they want with the full expectation that everyone who hears must believe their words however ludicrous.

I note that the lawyer in question is an interesting individual who has recently been accused of sexual misconduct (and declared bankruptcy which may lead to suspension from the bar).

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/07/2018 20:02

There's an increasing level of evidence to suggest that we don't have enough data on the affects of blockers and HT on the male body.

Oh absolutely. Just taking blockers as an example: the FDA is currently investigating the entire class of GnRH drugs in relation to psychiatric events.
The GnRH class of drugs used as puberty blockers are actively contraindicated for anyone experiencing mental health issues. They are known to cause increased emotional lability including aggression.

There is NO body of work on the long term effects of either hormone blockers or cross sex hormones. This is Wild West stuff in terms of medical ethics.

And of course recorded as a female crime.

NoNotheresnolyrics · 09/07/2018 20:06

Male violence

Baroquehavoc · 09/07/2018 20:14

I assume that this individual's trans status has only been reported because their defense lawyer has decided to use it as part of their case.

I think you are correct.

It makes sense to report crimes showing male and female victims and perpetrators. It would also make sense to record the trans status of victims and perpetrators too.

nauticant · 09/07/2018 21:10

I only remember one case of joint enterprise and that was a big deal.

I checked on this a while back Melamin and I was able to find 2 convictions of women for rape (joint enterprise) over the past 17 years.

Hippopotas · 09/07/2018 21:13

If fully transitioned she is a woman.

UpstartCrow · 09/07/2018 21:16

What do you mean by 'fully transitioned'?
I think you mean 'post op transexual', but transactivists call transexual people 'truscum'.

NoNotheresnolyrics · 09/07/2018 21:17

I respect your beliefs but we’ll have to agree to disagree on that x

NoNotheresnolyrics · 09/07/2018 21:17

Hippopotas

AssassinatedBeauty · 09/07/2018 21:20

@Hippopotas you're behind the times and might get yourself in trouble with transactivists. No one has to "fully transition" in order to be considered a woman in the new trans ideology. Surgery and hormones are not necessary, and suggesting that those who haven't "fully transitioned" aren't women is considered transphobic.

nauticant · 09/07/2018 21:20

If it's a choice between the feelings of a murderer or someone who attempts murder, and crime statistics correctly recording which types of people are committing crimes, I'll go with the non-misleading recording.

GardenGeek · 09/07/2018 21:21

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AngryAttackKittens · 09/07/2018 21:43

The fact that we still know Lizzie Borden's name gives an indication of how often actual females run amok with axes. Male humans otoh? Not so uncommon.

When crime statistics are being distorted you have to wonder why, and whose interests are being served. Unintended consequence or deliberate attempt to obscure who's committing most of the violence?

AngryAttackKittens · 09/07/2018 21:46

Oh absolutely. Just taking blockers as an example: the FDA is currently investigating the entire class of GnRH drugs in relation to psychiatric events.
The GnRH class of drugs used as puberty blockers are actively contraindicated for anyone experiencing mental health issues. They are known to cause increased emotional lability including aggression.

Let's prescribe medication that could cause a psychotic break to a group of people who already have documented elevated rates of mental illness, particularly personality disorders. What could possibly go wrong?

SpareRibFem · 09/07/2018 23:58

The fact we still know Lizzie Borden's name gives an indication of how often actual females run amok with axes

Especially as she may not have done it. The one notorious female axe murderer in history (and we have to go back to the 1800s) was put on trial and acquitted.

NotMeOhNo · 10/07/2018 00:39

Transwomen on hormones are "weak as kittens" according to Paris Lees, implying that they are weaker (more feminine) than actual women.
I suppose the victims may be thankful about how weakly the axe was smashed into their faces and heads. They might be dead otherwise, eh Paris?

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R0wantrees · 10/07/2018 01:18

Women commit awful crimes every day, so do men, so do trans men and women

The narrative that women similarly commit violent crimes is a common one.

Of course some women commit violent crime, however the differences in sex-based offender profiles is well accepted and was a key point in the recent government policy announcement.

R0wantrees · 10/07/2018 01:24

I meant to say, The narrative that women similarly commit violent crimes is a common TRA one.

fractalplimsoll · 10/07/2018 04:40

"He said Ms Amati, who was born a man, began taking hormones in 2012 to transition to a woman but the drugs had a significant effect on her state of mind.
He said Ms Amati's mental state deteriorated in 2015, when she had surgery in Thailand to complete her transition to a woman, and she began to experience visions, hallucinations and suicidal and homicidal ideation".

I agree with AngryAttackKittens I think what they experienced is more likely to be an episode of psychosis, but maybe caused by the transition itself.

Some part of the mind may have rebelled against completing the dissociative strategy of becoming a woman (which can be an unconscious strategy to supress overwhleing feelings such as fear, powerlessness or underlying hostile/narcisstic rage by denying/ othering those feelings), or simply that the transition to a new identity failed to cure/supress the underlying rage.

It is why playing along with delusions, demedicalising and not looking for root causes is really very dangerous.

I think certain types of MH disorder are under-diagnosed in men in part because the over-riding misogynistic culture 'hides' more serious pathologies, intentionally and unintentionally, as well as the general lack of funding for diagnosing and treating MH.

thewitchofwentworth · 10/07/2018 05:49

This article has more detail www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/trial-for-woman-accused-of-axe-attack-caught-on-video-begins/news-story/46fd1f0388d0e11acebeb09aba385353

Specifically,

It was claimed she changed her Facebook status to read, “humans are only able to destroy or hate so that is what I shall do”, and at 1.13am on January 7, also sent a Facebook message to a woman she thought had rejected her saying “one day I am going to kill a lot of people”.

She allegedly also wrote a Facebook message saying “some people deserve to die. I hate people” and “I know where you live haha”.

And

He told the court Ms Amati had bought the axe in early December 2016 and sent a message on Facebook Messenger to woman she had a romantic interest in saying: “OMG I just destroyed an old couch with a new axe. It was incredibly satisfying. It gives me ideas haha.”

CaitlynsCat · 17/08/2018 07:10

This case wheels out all the sexist tropes - Amati pleaded hysteria - it was the lady hormones that turned a nice calm man into a crazy woman.

This was rejected and Amati found guilty of attempted murder, but it doesn't change the innate sexism of the whole thing.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/08/2018 08:32

What’s your point?

The OPs point was very clear

Personally dont give a monkeys how you present or want to live your life but crime statistics and medical issues and probably other things should be recorded as the SEX of the person concerned

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