It's all so depressing isn't it?

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I've been reading these threads over a few years now.

Initially I was skeptical but having seen the way things actually are, everyday, I've found myself not only agreeing with you all on a lot of subjects but also finding it all very depressing.

Everyday sexism, trans debates and their actions, the constant struggle for lesbians and now for women just to be called women.
Women treated differently if in any place,a car, on transport on their own compared to how they are treated when with men in the same situations.

Even noticing that basic consideration to lone women living on their own is non existent. Where as if there was or appeared to be a man living there, either on their own or with that same woman, there are no issues. I have seen this with my own eyes time and time again, not just when I was on my own, but with other women who were or are living alone. Now I am seeing someone, the attitude towards me has changed again from outright hostile to not as much, although still very different to when I had a man living with me.

Most times it's nothing short of bullying, intimidation and threats in all situations.

The more I read, the more I see every single day.

I have been trying to find women only places in my area as mentioned in another thread but there are none. It's a large city for crying out loud!

The only woman only gym is extortionate £100+ a month and other gym offer only rooms with limited equipment or are only 1 hour sessions or just too far away.

I've tried mixed gyms but after several uncomfortable encounters in no less than 4 separate gyms I've given up.

I'm probably not making myself clear, or will be told I'm being paranoid (I know I'm not though) or ridiculous, but I thought if anyone knew what I'm trying to say it would be someone on here.

Yes I agree with you and it’s draining putting up with this shit day after day.

I called out a man the other day on aggressive behaviour towards me at a club we’re both members of and was told by the person in charge to calm down and “I don’t want to hear this”.

Still seething 3 days later.

you are not paranoid, you are not ridiculous...

Abusive men don't like women being out of their sight. they don't like women being left alone to talk.
Its extremely concerning to see this attitude manifest in wider society.

And this is why we all (including all the lovely lurkers ) need to act: Complete and return the GRA consultation, lobby politicians, contact the media etc. Even if you are unable to participate in, say, ManFriday events, there is still plenty each and everyone of us can do. So take strength, go forth and do your duty as a woman.

Mrs, i have been doing exactly that. In fact more and more so as the years go on.

When signing that particular petition my DD asked what I was ranting about to myself. She's into sports and is noticing a shift already. She signed it last week.

I'm finding myself seething at something unjust most days, it's just not bloody fair or right.

I want to scream and shake people until they see just what is happening around them. Mrs, I have a feeling you feel the same.

I have woken up into a nightmare.

Sorry, misscockerspaniel

Abusive men don't like women being out of their sight. they don't like women being left alone to talk.
Its extremely concerning to see this attitude manifest in wider society.

This.

Knowing that every thread here is monitored has affected me a lot.

*Abusive men don't like women being out of their sight. they don't like women being left alone to talk.
Its extremely concerning to see this attitude manifest in wider society.

This.

Knowing that every thread here is monitored has affected me a lot

Exactly! We can't even say anything.

I'm bloody fed up with it all.

Once you see it you can't unsee it, but I'm glad that my eyes are open.
I don't want to live in a fool's paradise.
If we can see it, we can do something about it.

OP,
On a bad day I agree - and seeing this board being so infected with misogyny is hard to accept but.... I just put this on and it lifts my spirits, reminding me of how many brilliant women are out there standing up for women's and children's rights - and off I go and write a letter.

Once you see it you can't unsee it, but I'm glad that my eyes are open. I don't want to live in a fool's paradise.

Hear hear. Neither do I.

I’m heartened by the number of women seemingly beginning to ‘see it’.

It’s only collectively that we can change it.

Hopefully this ‘depressing’ stage will lead to the angry one, because angry women en masse cannot be ignored!

Nearly every woman I know is starting to see it. We just need women to learn that they don’t have to “be nice” to be a woman.

I agree with you all but one of my friends told me I was a member of a cult yesterday ie GC women cult. I'm beginning to question my sanity frankly, because the way I see the world seems so different to society at large eg MP says "TWAW that's the starting point"

Am I insane? Am I in a cult? This is what I got for speaking out.

No, I do not believe it when I sit and reflect: TRA is a cult, and not just that - its a cult that's got it's teeth into the British parliament from Maria Miller to John Bercow (why couldn't I appreciate Norman Tebbit when we had him - I think it was him who said you cant change sex).

I'm one of the newcomers to this. I want to make up for my delay in doing everything I can and spreading the word to others.

What depresses me further is censorship and the media narrative, celebrating misogonyists and vilifying women.

We need high profile support from women. But Alison Moyet is hounded off Twitter yet Stephen "Darling" Fry is applauded for his penis-led observations.

If more politicans and high profile influencers (especially in media) could open their eyes and speak out then maybe we might get some fair press.

I agree that once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Also, once you notice all of the misogynistic men who support it, you see it for what it is.

Sadly some women are vehemently on the TRA side eg my friend. How is it possible?

Ive been feeling life this for a while, getting myself more wound er and tighter and angrier and angrier.

But now I just try to have open discussions about what I’mseeing, every day. In the last few weeks I’ve talked to so many people about these things that are scaring me so much. I’ve talked to young women who don’t “describe themselves as feminists” and a few men who are just terrified they will say the wrong thing. We’ve had really honest and open conversations and it’s been brilliant! Getting people who normally say stuff like “it’s not really any of my business”, “ well we are all the same aren’t we?” and “I don’t see myself as a feminist” to actually discuss what’s going on, well I hope I’ve managed to open some eyes.

We need to keep talking, we need to keep speaking out. It needs to be part of our every day life. Instead of #everydaysexism, I want to make it #everydaychallengesexism.

I’m tired of getting angry

So many typos...I’m so hot and sweaty 😅

I agree op.
Another poster has hit the nail on the head with once you see it you can't unsee it !

I imagine iv always been a feminist I just didn't realise I was ! The feminism board on here has been so enlightening for me .

It's depressing but I often come on here and just read ( I don't post to often) because I feel solidarity with other women on here and their experiences and wise words and just sometimes need to reiterate to myself ,I'm not bitter or crazy !!

I find it fascinating that 'living my best life' and being 'brave and fabulous' basically consists of harassment, doxxing, assault, monitoring, reporting, threatening and basically forcing women not to speak.

Fascinating how that is basically just like it always was, with the addition of glittery nail gel.

Floorplan, I really do think it's because they think it won't affect them at all.

Even those women who think they are in equal relationships aren't. They go along with the bullshit too because it's all they've known. It's normal. I was one of them. Then I was on my own for a long time and the scales fell from my eyes. One comment at a time, one moment of "banter" at a time and everyone I said no to someone or stood up for myself, by myself.

Most people don't like one little bit. You're not in their box, you're a threat to what is normal to them.

Until people in general see things from our point of view, experience what we do, get the responses we have, even for reasonable things they will never really know the true inequality we actually have.

I thought women and men were equal and was brought up to believe this, I can't even read that without laughing now.

We haven't gone forward in any way shape or form, we're going backwards and I don't know why.

Fuck it. Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it.

I've just challenged a friend about all this on social media. I'm likely to be slammed for it by a flotilla of transactivists but...WHEVS.

I've been depressed and stressed and basically fearful of losing friends over this but this is way too fucking important.

Delurking in real life!

Well done! Proud of your conviction.

Well done Spartacus!

I lost a lot of "friends" when I did that but gained a surprising amount of support from less vocal new friends. One by one they've reached reached their limit and did the same as you.

My second fuck it moment led me to start this rambling thread.

By the way, thank you everyone. It's a relief, it truly is and long overdue.