Should straight men HAVE to sleep with transwomen?

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Apologies if this has been raised and discussed but it only occurred to me now and I am genuinely curious.

So transactivists insist that lesbians should accept transwomen (most of whom still have male bodies and male organs) as sexual partners and that refusing to have sex with a dick is hate and bigotry.

On the same grounds, do transwomen also insist that heterosexual males should be fine about having relationships with them as they would with biological females, otherwise it's genitalia fetish?

Is this happening?

So in the world it seems that there is a group of people who are always banging on about how other people ought to be fucking them

And a group saying oh god just fuck off and leave us alone

Again, just something to think about.

The other interesting thing is that "TERF" is usually lined with "SWERF" - the trans movement is generally very much pro sex work. I have literally no idea why these things apparently obviously go together - they are unrelated. Another thing to think about.

So transphobes insist that 'transactivists insist that lesbians should accept transwomen (most of whom still have male bodies and male organs) as sexual partners and that refusing to have sex with a dick is hate and bigotry', when this simply is not the case.

So Garam explain the comments here...

terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

...if it's simply not the case.

And no sraight men don't get nearly such a lot of hassle becasue

a. no-one expects straight men to get involved wth dick
b. straight men (all men) are less interested in being "nice" and have the potential to violence

So, no-one bothers. Women and girls are trained to be "nice", and also we are expected to be used to / open to / it's a societal norm for us to be exposed to the "milder" end of sexual coercion. It is a norm for people (dicky ones) to try and "talk us into" fucking them, "trying" sex acts we don't want (if you dont' like it we never have to do it again!) etc from when we are quite young - first boyfriends).

ok, but the opposite of excluding somebody from your dating pool because you dont believe theyre the gender/sex they say they are , isnt that you should be forced to have sex with anyone that wants to have sex with you.

Im struggling a bit with this tbh, and I do have various issues with trans ideology and am pretty vocal about it, but just like bisexual people arent obligated to have sex with anybody of either sex, ive only in reality seen a few dickheads on twitter spouting about how sexual preferences are transphobic, and i just assume theyre incels who have found queer culture to be more inclusive of people with massive social issues who would never get sex anywhere else

The problem is a bepenised transwoman calling herself a lesbian because she isn't. A lesbian is a female bodied person who is only attracted to female bodied persons.

This all goes back to male violence as well - it is a big risk for a transwoman or a transvestite or anyone like that to pick up a straight man. Because men can be violent, espeically when their precious mascuinility is challenged in it's most basic way.

Men need to sort their shit out (NAMALT).

Trans activists are very careful to direct their attacks primarily against lesbians for two reasons,

1. Straight men aren't going to put up with that sort of nonsense, as was seen by the number of response videos to Riley J. Dennis' video on genital preferences where all the straight men on youtube thought he was talking about them.

1. Most vocal trans activists are "trans lesbians" and aren't interested in straight men.

There is also the validation it would bring them to be in a "lesbian" relationship. It's like the ultimate goal on their cosplay bucket list.

So transphobes insist that 'transactivists insist that lesbians should accept transwomen (most of whom still have male bodies and male organs)

A newly-single, biologically female, lesbian friend was recently describing her experience on Tinder, after not having been on the dating scene in about 15 years:

(for clarity, she has a preference for feminine-looking partners hence the below)

"Not feminine enough
Not feminine enough
Not feminine enough
Not even a woman "

Continue ad nauseum.

Well done Bespin I just said that I'd say no empathetically and firmly but only verbally and you said that would lead to violence. Was that "now look what you made me do"?

I am willing to believe that being told no sends many off the deep end and makes them lash out, but not having experienced it I'm glad you can confirm it.

and yes Bespin it was men we were talking about. Transwomen.

It happens a lot. A close male friend of mine is in a relationship with a trans woman, wasn't forced or anything and they both see themselves as straight.

sardines has nailed it. Brava.

SardinesAreYum
Men need to sort their shit out (NAMALT).

Bloody hell this is the solution to nearly every problem the world has

Yep that's what it boils down to.

• stop blaming us for everything they do wrong

Would be nice.

@iliketosmellcandles

Here's a trans women objecting to lesbians' SEXual orientation: transgender-uber-alles.tumblr.com/post/141035789689/radfems-arent-real-lesbians
And here's a trans women fantasising about corrective rape: rad-trans-womyn.tumblr.com/post/136823597752/terf-fantasy

Also, Google the word "cisbian".

So in the world it seems that there is a group of people who are always banging on about how other people ought to be fucking them

And a group saying oh god just fuck off and leave us alone

It's like watching pigeons. The females are just trying to peck around and eat while the males are perpetually harassing them and displaying in front of them.

The other interesting thing is that "TERF" is usually lined with "SWERF" - the trans movement is generally very much pro sex work. I have literally no idea why these things apparently obviously go together - they are unrelated. Another thing to think about.

I often wondered about the link then the other day saw that Roz Kaveney is a founder of Feminists Against Censorship and Jane Fae is also active in that area.

So there is a strong MRA link in transactivism.

Is Jane Fae the one who thinks that the ban on extreme porn is censorship and casually talks about watching it as if it's just something you do when you have an hour or two free, when writing in defence of it?

If it is that person, I was genuinely taken aback.

I think it's fairly well known that women have more of an issue generally with porn & prostitution than men, probably as we view it / consider it as the person on the "receiving end", while men tend to dehumanise the person on that side and put themselves in the dominant role. Most women are also het and so know all to well that when you're the one being penetrated, you need to take a certain amoutn of care, while a lot of mainstream porn enjoys this factor, encouraging men to pressure women into "taking" things they are not really on board with / cause them discomsoft.

So given that, the fact that this person presents an argument for legalising extreme porn, is lets say an unusual posiiton for a woman to take. I would put money on this genre being less of interest to women viewers, and more women being in favour of banning extreme stuff.

It's like with that libdem thing where they wanted porn acting / prostition to be legal from 16, or at least some bloke raised it at conference. It's a male persepctive - I want to fuck 16 yo / watch them getting fucked, it's legal to have sex at that age, why not? It's women who generally raise the vulnerabiliy of girls (and boys) this age, that it's not desirable in society for men to be able to buy 16yo for sex, what about the long term impact on them etc.

I mean of course some women watch this stuff and some men speak against these things but BUT it is generally women who are expected to / and do push back against these things that men want. Because we have been girls, we have had men try to coerce us, we have had had penetrative intercourse (lots of us), we are the ones who are left to look out for children....

It's tiresome. Why do so many men think their dicks must have whatever their dicks want?

Yes it is them. Google tells me it is a specialist interest of theirs.

They talk like men, think like men, act like men, and essentially want what most lame men want.
Can't possibly think why that is, can you?

I do think the "who will be my sexual partner" issue isn't considered enough by male or female transsexuals. There does seem to be a lot of cloud cookoolanditis. Masculine women continuing to identify as women and feminine men identifying as men have more potential partners of either sex as they are not perceived as deluded by the non trans and are viewed as more authentic.

Yes, they are seen as women with masculine traits, or men with feminine traits... as I suppose we all are on some scale between complete feminity and complete masculinity (if we could ever define such a scale in the first place, which I doubt).

But they are still woman and man. No lesbian wants a man no matter how feminine they are, and no gay man wants a woman no matter how masculine she is.

The rest of heterosexual society chooses on biological sex, then the attributes that appeal to them.

Bisexual people the same, but less emphasis on which sex.

Only Transactivists expect something different. They want us to choose based on their 'pretend' attributes of feminity, and then stick a cock in our faces (often literally), and then to add insult to injury reveal their actual true male nature. Their supposed feminine side is just a damn ruse, which is why they are keeping their cocks, and worse still, stroking them.

That's not all transpeople of course, nobody would suggest that, it's just a hell of a lot of jumping on the trans bandwaggon either deliberately or through self-delusion in order to stick their cock in women.

'Man clitty' my arse.

Is Jane Fae the one who thinks that the ban on extreme porn is censorship

It's public knowledge on Wikipedia what Fae's old name is. Google it.

The ban on extreme porn IS censorship. Good censorship.
We censor bomb-making instructions and hate speech too.

The fatal flaw in their thinking is that extreme porn is extreme because it's beyond the scope of most normal people. If they allowed it, then the next extreme porn would be 'just beyond the scope' and they'd want that to be decensored too...

So where will it end?

Society has to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Tough shit if it's not the line in the sand they want.

We all know why it's transwomen harassing "cis"women. Just as we know why transmen never harass "cis"men. Same shit, different outfit.