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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Len McCluskey

49 replies

SeriousPurpose · 04/07/2018 12:09

He is being tweeted by an unhappy LGBT+ community in response to his signing a letter in the morning star.

mobile.twitter.com/LenMcCluskey/status/1014434252912513024

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SisyphusWasGenderCritical · 04/07/2018 17:33

Good. This need the oxygen of publicity. Let people see what women daring to speak have had to endure for the last few years

I'm glad some of the old left wing heroes have not abandoned us

Janie143 · 04/07/2018 17:41

Sick of standing up for women and girls being described as transphobic

FermatsTheorem · 04/07/2018 17:45

Well done Len.

Like others I don't think the twitter pile on will affect Len too adversely - he's made of strong stuff is my impression. Real old school trade-unionist. However, it will make quite a few people look at the level of threat being aimed at him and think WTAF?

And the rest of the signatories - the list is full of magnificent women and men - among them Julie Bindel, Ruth Serwotka, Lisa Masoud, Karen Ingala Smith. Heroes one and all.

Wanderabout · 04/07/2018 17:47

I'm glad some of the old left wing heroes have not abandoned us

Thanks Len.

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/07/2018 17:47

Len McCluskey recently announced that he was throwing all his clout into the people's vote moment re: brexit - so I imagine any pile on he gets here is water off a duck's back ... 'what batshit crazies are threatening me today? Oh that makes a nice change ...'

The TW who is currently the top replier is called 'Stephie Woodcock', now perhaps Woodcock is their genuine last name ... and perhaps they have genuinely always loved the name 'Stephanie'... but if they think everyone can't see what they've done there - and don't understand why that harms their cause then they are very hard of thinking. Oxygen of publicity is exactly what Miss. Stiffy erect penis needs - and it won't go the way they think it will.

R0wantrees · 04/07/2018 17:52

I think there was a poster here with the same name...

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 04/07/2018 18:06

I feel like the tide is turning. Finally.

ChickenMe · 04/07/2018 18:14

Good for him
Even he doesn't get the abuse a female would

Floisme · 04/07/2018 19:55

Well done Len and all the other signatories. And while I don't wish a Twitter pile-on on anyone, I think it's good that more people see the kind of abuse women have been enduring.

I remember reading a while ago that there was a potential schism in the Labour party over this issue. Interesting times ahead perhaps.

Popchyk · 05/07/2018 12:26

Guardian link

"Britain’s most powerful union leader has joined a group of feminist campaigners to sign a controversial letter that accuses some transgender rights activists of violent and intimidating behaviour."

Apparently referring to factual incidents of violence and intimidation is unacceptable.

Even the TRAs are not saying that Len is wrong about these incidents (because they did actually happen), just that he shouldn't be allowed to talk about them. Because it is transphobic.

R0wantrees · 05/07/2018 12:53

Wouldn't it be wonderful if policians from across the political parties united over this?
the letter in full
morningstaronline.co.uk/article/improving-climate-debate-around-proposed-changes-gender-recognition-act

(concludes)
"We are sure that, whatever your view regarding the issues around the Gender Recognition Act, you will agree that it is unacceptable for women to be made scared to engage in political life.

We, the undersigned, publicly and unequivocally condemn the use of violence or tactics of intimidation on this issue"

Auldspinster · 05/07/2018 13:22

Mark Serwotka is general secretary of my old union, glad to see his name too (i'm well aware of who his wife is btw).

CrustyCob · 05/07/2018 21:54

I'm heartened to see this is finally moving forward, as a UNITE member.
The tide is turning.

Bowlofbabelfish · 06/07/2018 13:02

Well done Len. Proper old school left and not someone who is intimidated by this twitter crap.

Having union voices behind us is powerful - the unions among other things stand for the class-analysis based, cohesive societal approach to fairness. That together we are stronger and that we stand together with our fellow man/woman. That in itself is under threat in these times of identity politics. I think it’s hugely important that he has signed this.

R0wantrees · 06/07/2018 13:10

letter by some members of the Labour Party:

'We, the undersigned, have a variety of positions about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Some of us have not yet fully formed our opinions.

We are calling for action within our movement to allow informed discussion to take place over proposed changes to the Act.

You may be aware of a vicious and hostile environment created on-line by the Tory press and some people within our movement, including small numbers of trade union activists, members of the Labour Party and some other left-wing parties.

Some tactics which are employed include but are not limited to:

Deliberately mis-gendering people. In particular, referring to trans women as men.
Deliberately dead naming trans people (referring to them by the name given to them at birth).
Suggesting that the parents of trans children are guilty of child abuse for supporting their children’s identity.
Referring to cis women who support trans women as among other things, handmaidens and not good enough feminists.
The daily abuse of many prominent trans people.
The abuse of trans women invited to speak at women’s events.
The suggestion that trans men are actually women, who find it easier to live as men.
The erasure of the existence of non- binary people in many discussions.
The reporting of trans people and allies to their employers, in order to cause them problems at work.
These tactics are systematic attempts to shut down the views of women and others who do not agree with the anti-trans agenda, and to deny us our rights to discuss potential legislative changes and conclude that they will have no impact on any sex-based rights already enshrined in law. Changes in the way trans people are able to legally identify themselves will have no impact on sex-based exemptions in the Equality Act (2010).

Thankfully we have the power of our progressive movement to counteract these tactics. Major trade unions such as PCS, UCU, NEU, Unite and Unison have confirmed their support for trans rights. We are pleased to note that the general secretary of Unite the Union has now clarified his own position and that of his union as being supportive of trans people.

We are not afraid to continue to voice our support for trans people or to continue to progress the policies of our unions or to support the leader of the Labour Party on this matter.

Some of us are what some may choose to describe as “ordinary women”, some of us are active in the Labour and Trade Union movement and other political campaigns.

Although we are deeply concerned about the effects of the people focussing their energies on the Gender Recognition Act, often from a place of misinformation and/or prejudice, we are not afraid to organise political activity, meetings or protests on these issues.

Despite the whole weight of the Tory press and its allies against us, our voices will not be silenced.

We are sure that, whatever your view regarding the issues around the Gender Recognition Act, you will agree that it is unacceptable for the Tory press, those against self-identification of trans people and those supportive of particular streams of feminism, to attempt to make anyone scared to engage in political life.

We, the undersigned, publicly and unequivocally condemn the use of violence or tactics of intimidation including those listed above, on this issue'

(worthwhile, as always, seeing who the signatories are)
gradiscussion.wordpress.com

FloralBunting · 06/07/2018 13:16

Len McCluskey, that well known ally of the Tory press...

ConfusedGrin

DanaBarrett · 06/07/2018 13:18

Wow, @R0wantrees that letter is an impressive example of DARVO! I'm absolutely sick of this whole 'you're hurting MY feelings' tactic.

littlbrowndog · 06/07/2018 13:22

Oh lols. Streams of feminism
The erasure of the existence of non binary ppl in discussions

Just erm erm

The irony of it all

Like being told off by a student it reads like

Being told off

Bowlofbabelfish · 06/07/2018 13:26

Some of us are what some may choose to describe as “ordinary women”,

Can someone translate what that means?

littlbrowndog · 06/07/2018 13:28

Run of the mill women

littlbrowndog · 06/07/2018 13:29

Or not extraordinary

VanGoghsDog · 06/07/2018 13:30

I tweeted my support to him a couple of days ago and questioned some of the responses. I was glad to see his support on this letter.

I won't mention my Twitter name as I'd have to NC here again! (And I've run out of ideas)

Wanderabout · 06/07/2018 13:34

So their objections are people that don't agree with them are:

  • Refusing to submit to using language that assumes a key premise in the debate they don't agree with
  • Saying things they disagree with
  • Namecalling
  • Doxxing

And that the press are reporting things.

Doxxing I condemn on either side. I've not seen evidence of this against TRAs (but plenty the other way round), but if it has truly happened I think that's wrong. The name calling doesn't help anyone and should stop.

Other than that, the rest is basic politics. You can't dictate what people think, say or report in the press I'm afraid. This is a democracy.

BeyondRaggydoll · 06/07/2018 13:40

This is my favourite bit: 'The erasure of the existence of non- binary people in many discussions.'

Never have I seen GC feminists erase the existence of non-binary people - GC feminists generally estimate the proportion of the population who are non-binary to be somewhere in the area of 99.99%!! Grin

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