Welsh Women's Aid GRA statement.

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Don't know if anyone has posted this. Thought it might be of interest to those of you on the Welsh side of the bridge. I'm not anymore but found it linked from an old Facebook group.

www.cteg.org.uk/chwarae-tegs-statement-reforms-gender-recognition-act-2004/

They are trying to sound "reasonable" but essentially it's saying "we want to listen to and be fair to all people apart from those who disagree with us"

I call these persistent irritant visitors gadflys, because they just like to fly in and jab. I think it gives them a cosy, warm glow inside to think they're wrong-side-of-historying all these stupid women. Like a quick hit superiority thing.

I've also just noticed the GadFly is rather a neat alternative reading of the Goady Fucker acronym.

FloralBunting

I never cease to be astonished at the lack of empathy for women from so many men who claim to "identify as" women. I would say most men I know show more understanding than that of why women who, having been victims of domestic violence by men, are emotionally and psychologically vulnerable and that forcing them to share house room with males is cruel and potentially very harmful to them.

Transwomen should start their own shelters rather than expect to be welcomed by Women's Aid.

"2015 Cisgender was added to the Oxford English Dictionary, So think it should be used."

Lots of offensive words are in the dictionary - hardly a reason to use them!

I am not a category of woman and therefore need no qualifier.

I believe there are many words in the OED that if directed at a group of people would be offensive.

@Giddy99 you can use it to refer to those who it might apply to. Which is absolutely not "anyone who isn't trans". To assume that people are happy to be called it is wrong.

2015 Cisgender was added to the Oxford English Dictionary, So think it should be used

Arse is in the dictionary as well. But if I called you that, no doubt you would think I was being rude

I suspect a tactic of using inflammatory words to get a thread taken down as evidence of phobic behaviour...

suspect a tactic of using inflammatory words to get a thread taken down as evidence of phobic behaviour...

Without a doubt.

Yes it does exclude women... this excludes women:

"Trans people’s rights and women’s rights are human rights which intersect,"

intersect
ɪntəˈsɛkt/
verb
1 divide (something) by passing or lying across it.

If Transpeople's rights intersect with women's then every time they meet, every time they cross and there is a conflict of interests the male socialised element will always take priority.

Something that intersects can not be inclusive.

@chocolatestrawberries
Guess I’ll have to start planning my life a bit more carefully now I’m having supposed safe places taken away from me.

So fucking sarcastic and entitled. A PP has just described someone who had fucking ptsd from being raped do you think she planned that?

I'm not sure how to tag usernames but, Dinosaurandtea- when I left my violent ex with my 3 year old dd we went to a Women's Aid shelter. I had just found out I was pregnant and I knew if I didn't leave then I never would. I and my dd were terrified, we had tried to leave several times before but at the last minute it wasn't safe. When we did get to the refuge, the relief was palpable...And although living with so many other traumatised women and children was at times not easy, it was the first time my dd had ever felt safe. We so needed that! My dd was terrified of men, all men no matter what they looked like, build, facial features, beards or clean shaven. It took us both years to not panic around men. Even around my brother in law who had helped us escape I felt frightened, i avoided eye contact with him again for years. It is not transphobic for women and children to need safe spaces away from male bodies. The needs of vulnerable women and children must come first! Because otherwise there will be women who don't risk leaving. Sorry if I've derailed the thread at all

We already have a word for "cis" women, and that is just woman. The word for transwomen - males who want to be women - is transwomen.

It's actually really sad that TRAs seem satisfied that people are just humouring them. No one truly believes people can become women or men just on their say so. I think if it were me I'd prefer it to be genuine. As a woman I am constantly patronised and I hate it so I wonder why they dont?

The last thing most women escaping male violence need is to be told that unless they object they have to share a refuge with a male.

So an organisation which was set up by women for women releases a statement saying that they will prioritise people who are not women, in a way that will exclude actual women from using their services.

Fucking hell.

Women's Aid should stand up for women. It shouldn't be prioritising male-bodied people. It feels like you are trying to get someone to say something you can report.

Yep. Don't rise to it. This poster is not posting in good faith here.

Sergio I don't consider that a detail at all. You and your daughter are the people society should be rallying around to protect. We should all be trying to make day to day life just that little bit easier, to give you time to heal. Instead we have the despicable (but expected) move to centre male bodied people.

I'm glad you managed to escape and I hope things are better for all 3 of you

Women's refuges that allow access to male bodied people are excluding women. More women will suffer violence and abuse.

I wonder how many service users were actually consulted before the making of this statement.

These are women's organisations who are essentially saying that they do not believe there are any circumstances in which a female can ever have privacy from a male. They've not just ripped women's rights up, they've stuck the remains down the toilet and shat on them.

The issues impacting transwomen are not the issues which impact women. Women do not suffer discrimination from being males who are attempting to live as women. We don't suffer hatred and exclusion because of this. There are trans charities which are set up to address the needs of trans people and to advocate for them.

Women's refuges are already underfunded and struggling. It is shameful to divert money away for women who are murdered at a rate of around 2 a week. It's shameful to divert opportunities away from women who experience sex based discrimination and as a result make up the bulk of people in this country living in poverty.

This is patriarchy in action, women struggling for scarce resources, and males coming along and demanding access despite already having access to far more.

I wonder how many service users were actually consulted before the making of this statement.

None.

I think it's becoming clear by now that the corporate third sector has completely lost sight of its service users, particularly if those service users are women and children. From the prostitution scandals to the pretence that women in refuges never have PTSD related to the male body, I can't think of a large scale third sector org that I would trust to spend my donation well and in the interests of its service users.

I never cease to be astonished at the lack of empathy for women from so many men who claim to "identify as" women. I would say most men I know show more understanding than that of why women who, having been victims of domestic violence by men, are emotionally and psychologically vulnerable and that forcing them to share house room with males is cruel and potentially very harmful to them.

I've noticed this so consistently that at this point I suspect that identifying as a woman is an active impediment to identifying with us. Certainly only a small minority of those calling themselves trans manage to do so.