I've now seen one of these violent "women".

[CAAKE]

I haven't posted here in a while (I generally can't cope or keep up but am a constant lurker) but I shit you not FWR friends, this all happened right in front of me and I need to get it off my chest.

We have been at a big summer festival this weekend (8,000 + people). We were leaving the festival last night on foot (with kids in tow) and we heard shouting ahead and came across the following scene.

A young couple, slightly tipsy but not what I'd call drunk were pinned to a wall by a group of security guards. The woman was crying and screaming "we're not transphobic! we're not, we're not!". The young man pointed at the one security guard standing to the side and said "that person shoved me and grabbed my throat!".

This security guard then lunged forward trying to get at the young man and shouted "I heard it! I heard what you said! I AM A FUCKING WOMAN!!!"

The young woman cried and screamed, the security guards shouted aggressively some more, mostly telling the young woman to be quiet, and the couple were told that they were being detained until the police arrived!

After some discussion it seems that the young man said something that the security guard who is (very obviously) a transwoman deemed to be transphobic. The transwoman became enraged and shoved the man and grabbed his throat then called for other members of the security guard team to come and "detain" the couple.

The young couple finally calmed down enough to diffuse the situation with the help of a group of people (all older women - yay them!) who saw the original incident happen and who agreed to walk the couple away from the scene and see them home.

The whole thing was outrageous from start to finish! I'm not condoning the transphobia, I'm sure the young man was being a prize dick, but the behaviour of this transwoman was so physically and verbally aggressive it was frightening.

Surely a key skill involved in being in a security guard at a festival is calming and dispersing such situations, moving people along, keeping them safe and seeing them home rather than shoving, attempting to choke and shouting abuse at them?

All this person achieved last night was to create a grand scene where they were exposed as being a violent, aggressive, abusive snowflake in front of a crowd of many people. This behaviour directly echoed what we so often see online from certain members of the trans community. I am astounded to have witnessed it in a form so complete IRL.

I just feel so upset for everyone who was there, but especially for the young woman who was caught in this through no apparent fault of her own (aside from having a mouthy drunk idiot for a boyfriend). She thought she was going to be arrested and had to endure being physically restrained, shouted at and repeatedly told to be quiet when all she was expressing was fear. That the wider group of security guards (all men, of course) were prepared to escalate the situation on behalf of their aggressive colleague was shocking and very upsetting to witness.

Bloody hell.

I know someone that was choked by a security guard in Asda, they accidentally hit a checkouts worker with a hanger when loading clothes on a conveyor belt, they got arrested and cautioned, nothing happened to the security guard. She had no previous and is mild mannered yet she got a criminal record for an accident anyone can have.

I now run for the hills if I see a security guard, dangerous people.

I think I, along with many other people, instinctively trust people in uniforms. No longer!

People who can't hold their tempers should not be security guards, but it seems that those hiring them often have exactly the opposite opinion.

Stunning and brave, eh?

Choking is an intention movement (an example would be clenched teeth = a display of biting). Its not a sexual behaviour, its not friendly.
And its not appropriate for a security guard.

I hope the incident was filmed. This person has no business being a security guard and should be fired

What a horrifying incident. Interesting their colleagues felt more empathy for them, despite their violent and unprofessional behaviour, than the frightened young woman. Can you please complain about the security team to the festival? My friend was badly beaten by security who took him intentionally out of sight of the cctv to do so.

Fgs that's awful. Isn't there a false imprisinment offence?

Hopefully there's footage. If there is, there are options surrounding informing the employer, festival, and/or police. I'm disinclined to involve the police without the agreement of the couple as they might not want a court case etc.

to the couple and all who helped.

Violent transwomen like this are not doing much to reassure me that we are safe around them.

If you can't hold your temper when subject to verbal abuse or comments you don't like then you probably shouldn't be a security guard. It's part of the requirements of the job, surely.

Wrangling mouthy drunks is definitely part of the job.

Another awful experience with a security guard here. The job really does attract power-hungry psychopaths

I think it bears mentioning that the outcomes for people of the class of natal female would be very different historically and globally if, as a class, we had the physical strength and aggression to be able to act like this whenever we felt wronged.

Can you report this to the security firm?

Security guards are sometimes wannabe police who know bugger all about the law
If possible you could give your details to the people who were detained - as a witness

cf the recent attack of a man in the underground reported as being a 'gang of women / females'

discussed:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3289427-Four-women-viciously-attack-a-defenceless-man

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289023-Group-of-women-attack-a-man

I agree that handling mouthy drinks at a festival is a tough gig, but the young couple were not escalating this situation. They apologised repeatedly and asked to go home. The security guard who had been "insulted" completely instigated and continued the aggression.

Tells I have done so.

Also *drunks not "drinks" in my previous post.

If there is footage, there may be something HD enough to clock his SIA reg (which I think all security types now have to have).

Either way, you should be able to find out from the festival which firm they were using and go back to SIA with this info/any footage anyway. I believe they are doing quite a lot to stamp out exactly this sort of behaviour (and reputation as thugs for hire!).

I worked in event staffing years ago and had to deal with security companies. Let me tell you they are riddled with psychopathic nut jobs. The ratio of cluster B personalities, from the executives down to the grunts, compared to other businesses, is astonishing. I left because one of the managers attempted to rape me and everyone dismissed it as “blokeish banter” and “a joke”.

Security guard is one of those jobs where if someone actively wants to be one they should never be allowed to be one.

It doesn’t surprise me that they all piled in, in “defense” of their trans collegue. It’s not that they are terribly woke and supporting their collegue, it’s that they love any excuse for a violent confrontation - trust me, I heard them in the staff rooms, they would actively pray for things to kick off to give them an excuse to rough someone up.

Being mortally wounded over being misgendered is an absolute gift for anyone with this kind of mindset. It is a blatant DARVO and they love that they are seeming untouchable for it. We see it though.

I'd report this. Reports coming from a witness rather than the victim might actually be taken more seriously since they can't claim you did anything to provoke the situation.

Security guard is a job that is quite popular with serial killers. Just saying.

Have you written to the festival organisers to complain?

I've come across plenty of power-hungry security guards in my lifetime. As pp said this type of work attracts them. If it wasn't about them being trans it would be something else. I've seen men being beaten up for doing absolutely nothing.