Heads up to all ManFriday members

[SwearyG]

Our membership list has been leaked online.

Please do what you need to in order to keep yourselves safe.

Placemats I though that you had read the t&c s because you said that the release of the list was a serious breach of them. Were you not referring to the actual fb t&c then?

I realise most people dont read them, but that isn't a license to make free with what they contain.

Being a bit of a geek, I do read that sort of thing, and I haven't seen anything anywhere to suggest you should not disclose the public profile info of other members of a group.

Every group can set its own rules, and hoof people out for breaking them of course, but there doesn't seem to be anything in fb t&c that would prevent disclosure of that particular info. If I try were harvested automatically then that would break t&c. Fb don't like data scraping, so that's outlawed, but only when automated.

Fb is also super clear that it's up to the individual to set their privacy settings and be selective about what they make publicly available. So if you choose to list your place of work you are giving explicit consent for that to be public information.

Maybe fb isn't the appropriate host for political activist groups, given how strict they are about having to use your real name. So far as I can find after digging around quite a bit, there isn't any protection from having your membership of a group disclosed by another member of that group. Beyond of course the integrity of other group members, which is always going to be a point of vulnerability.

Anyway, to summarise, imho talk of going all ICO on their asses is a red herring. You'd be better off pursuing anyone who actually approaches your employers with an objective of harassing you.

Was there a MF Facebook group and a separate page? I 'liked' and 'followed' the page which had/has approximately 96 followers and last updated on June 18th? If they are one and the same, how do I find out if I'm on the list?

Yesitsadebate updated on the previous page and commented:

"We’re contacting the people on the list as quickly as we can but as we aren’t FB friends with everyone, it’s not a simple exercise. Sweary posted on here to try to get the message out quickly to as many people as possible.

It’s a crap situation and I’m so sorry to everyone who’s worried or who is now being targeted online. Tweets targeting people’s employers are being reported as soon as we spot them.

If anyone is worried in particular, please do send me a FB message and I’ll try to respond ASAP."

Sweary's speech:
manfridayuk.org/2018/05/18/why-manfriday/#more-1541
"Below is the full text of the speech made by ManFriday’s Media Officer at a Women’s Place UK meeting on 17th May 2018.

"My name is Hannah Clarke.

I support the rights of women and girls.

Men do not belong in female spaces.

A woman cannot have a penis.

I am not afraid to speak the truth.

I am here tonight to talk to you because of my involvement in the ManFriday movement. I’m sure that most of you will have heard of us, but for those who haven’t I’ll start with a brief overview.

I’ve called ManFriday a movement, I think a better word might be concept. We are a loosely organised group of women who are horrified by the implications of self identification and the resultant erasure of women. We are making a stand against what is happening by self identifying as men on Fridays. We show how preposterous it is to be able to self-declare as the opposite sex by doing exactly that.

This all came about when Amy Desir took it upon herself to address the ludicrous guidance Swim England produced to engage trans people in swimming. This guidance, soundly rejected by the good ladies of Mumsnet, included such gems as telling us women who object to penises in their changing rooms require education, whilst our boobs should be covered at all times for fear of causing offence. Amy started a Mumsnet thread one Friday morning in February telling us that she had arranged a meeting at her local pool to discuss her inclusion in men only swimming sessions as a self identified man in accordance with the guidance.

This thread inspired a whole lot of us – around 160 at the last count – to get behind the concept and thus ManFriday was born. We started with a Facebook page where we plan our protests and share resources and now have a website, a very active (and funny) twitter account, and a whole load of unconnected women joining in on Twitter every Friday using the hashtag ManFriday.

I joined after seeing Amy’s thread coincided with me wanting to be able to do something. I had attended the Woman’s Place meeting in London in February and was in awe of all the women there. I was too shy to put my hand up and talk – I didn’t feel like I had anything to say at all, but I think might make up for that now...." (continues)

I'm virtually illiterate on how social media works yet I found it within minutes from the hint given.

Me too. I don't presently even have a Twitter account but based on the information on here I found the list in 5 minutes but I didn't read it or safe it. I just wanted to verify the facts being given in this thread.

@mejon there is the ManFriday blog page on fb, I think that is the one you have "liked". There was also a secret group, which is the one whose membership list has been stolen. That's gone now.
They are still very active on Twitter- :)

Twitter links:
twitter.com/ManFRIDAY_

twitter.com/SwearyGodmother

twitter.com/akmd87

My geek daughter says you can read all the T&Cs you want but if you don't tick the box you won't get in.

Twitter is worse btw than Facebook, which is why I don't have a Twitter account.

I'm a member of several groups on Facebook and all are heavily moderated. You do have the choice to leave the group if you feel the direction being taken by the group is swaying away from the original intent of setting it up. I've seen this happen a couple of times and it's easy to spot.

I've no idea what went on re ManFriday, but what I do know is that published names are still out there and that most of the names are non traceable to a single person because it simply isn't possible.

Hope that puts your mind at rest Super

I was in a secret FB Group set up by the CATT person too and signed the letter to the Judiciary about Maria Mac having to refer to her attacker in Court as 'she'.

I was only in the group briefly as it quickly became apparent that the woman who set it up was somewhat 'erratic'. I also became confused about who had invited me personally to join it, I had been expecting to be invited to such a group by a woman I know irl who shares the same first name as the CATT person and accepted the invitation without seeking clarification (in my ignorance - I know).

When it became apparent that my details had been taken from my friend's FB contact list without permission by the CATT person I withdrew from the group.

Hannah's speech at 'Let a woman speak' meeting in Truro (from 1:07)

In it she explains how many women contribute differently to #ManFriday.

Its worth watching.

One of my staff / colleague’s is on the list. I won’t be letting them know that I know unless I get contacted (their place of work not shown), in which case I will let them know how I admire the MF initiative as a way of placing a challenge and furthering debate and discussion, rather than shutting it down.

Well done ManFriday.

Worth watching this video again & watch out for the #ManFriday van.

'Women are fighting back!'

R0 i think we get your point.

scrub why not tell them anyway?

Thank you averylongtime. I'm not on Twitter either and managed to find the list very quickly - I'm not on it.

Bloody hell! Stay safe everyone.

I’m listed but my FB account has been blank of personal details (address, employer etc) for some time. Thus, I’m just a name.

However, it’s a relatively uncommon name, and Google returns me first. I was also friends with the person in question until this morning, so she may have been able to ascertain info from my posts.

I am watching and waiting.

MistyEyedMixture Not sure I understand..?

I think you do ro and I'm not being a bitch and pointing it out and risk you getting a strike or deletion.

I genuinely have no idea Misty.
I post in my own way & in the same way.

Often people come to threads without as much background knowledge as long term members. I think it may be helpful for people to have access to background information.

Everyone is free to read, watch or ignore as they choose.

I post in my own way and same way

M....u.. l....t....I...p...l...e...p...o...s...t....get....d...e...l...e...t...I...o...n...s do you like my morse code? been practising.

You're confusing the shit out of me as well misty

Multiple posts dont get deleted (sorry...not good with the morse code)

Ro is famous round these parts for her links, they're different posts but related, so I'm not sure why they would be deleted...?

I really find it helpful when R0wantrees acts as the FWR wiki, linking to related discussions on here and related posts elsewhere. She's a really dedicated foot soldier for FWR and I know I'm not alone in appreciating her efforts.

In fairness, maybe Misty hasn't noticed my posts before Beyond .