Five journalist shot dead

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Dell Cameron @ dellcam
NEW: The Capital Gazette shooter, Jarrod Ramos, was the subject of a Capital article in which he's described threatening and harassing a woman on Facebook.

According to the article, he had pleaded guilty in 2011 to a misdemeanor harassment charge.

Kim Bellware @ bellwak
Gutted about the shooting at the Capital Gazette, but am reminded in 2018, not everyone will be universally horrified that journalists are hurt or killed

Note: Milo Yiannopoulos just 2 days ago: “I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight”

I don't know if this story will get much coverage in the UK.

It's HUGE.

It's about violence about women and their status in society, and the culture war for liberty and democracy in America right now.

Blink and you might miss this story. Or not understand it's significance.

When journalists start getting killed, it's BAD. Seriously bad.

This does not bode well for all our futures.

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Where problems perhaps have crept in, is where authoritarianism has appeared in the guise of false liberalism through censorship. To characterise this as 'the left' is a fundamental lack of understanding in politics though

It isn't, sorry, it really isn't. Anyone who has a pair of eyes can see the effect the left has had on society over the last two decades.

Heather Heyer would disagree with your analysis.

That's an opinion.

Lots of people disagree with that.

The difference between a fact and an opinion is part of the reason we are in such a screwed up mess as a society.

The difference between a fact and an opinion is part of the reason we are in such a screwed up mess as a society

Indeed and we, the working class people are really quite f**king pissed off with how the left has betrayed us.

Heather Heyer would disagree with your analysis.

I don't have a perfect solution.

Radicalisation via social media and the press is an area that needs tackling on many fronts.

We need to identify all reasons behind it. Radicalisation is something that has many deep reasons beneath it.

I do see a need for law to have some restriction. But I am careful and mindful of what that looks like and how it's implemented.

Seeing censorship alone, as the solution to the problem without proper consideration, is dangerous though.

Arguably if the media hasn't been working well in recent years at looking at reasons behind radicalisation, because it's been cashing in on extreme stories, chasing clicks and doesn't want to promote investigative journalism.

chasing clicks and doesn't want to promote investigative journalism

100% accurate there.

We were going to hell in a handcart when our children started voting not to have certain daily newspapers on sale within their university grounds.

No, we were going to hell in a handcart when men decided violence was the answer to their grudges.

I see these 5 murdered people have dropped out of sight by both sides on this argument using them for their own political points.

Goes back to me saying that the underlying principles of democracy were not taught well.

The Sun and the entire Hillsborough case is a good example of the failure of journalistic standards where prejudice came first and how the state doesn't always work for the people.

In the end it was human rights and public pressure largely from the left (sustained by a free press) which has won through and perhaps one day will get justice.

The whole case highlights the need for human rights... Which parts of the right wing media are very much against.

The left needs the right. The right needs the left. The tension between the two is necessary to protect us from the state and authoritianism.

I see these 5 murdered people have dropped out of sight by both sides on this argument using them for their own political points.

The biggest respect you can give a dead journalist is to explain the importance of journalism and how it works, and why attacks on the media are dangerous.

But do carry on missing the point.

No, we were going to hell in a handcart when men decided violence was the answer to their grudges

Dear me, that's pathetic.

The whole case highlights the need for human rights... Which parts of the right wing media are very much against

Explain to me these "human rights" please?

It’s very worrying that it looks like another incel-type incident of killing.
The internet has been instrumental in helping these idiots find each other and encourage each other’s sense of grievance.

Because he's quite likely to say that the purveyors of fake news had it coming?! Because why would the Pussy Grabber in Chief be consider the harassment of a woman to be newsworthy?

Trump is NOT going to say that journalists “had [violent death] coming”. Let’s be sensible.