Five journalist shot dead

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Dell Cameron @ dellcam
NEW: The Capital Gazette shooter, Jarrod Ramos, was the subject of a Capital article in which he's described threatening and harassing a woman on Facebook.

According to the article, he had pleaded guilty in 2011 to a misdemeanor harassment charge.

Kim Bellware @ bellwak
Gutted about the shooting at the Capital Gazette, but am reminded in 2018, not everyone will be universally horrified that journalists are hurt or killed

Note: Milo Yiannopoulos just 2 days ago: “I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight”

I don't know if this story will get much coverage in the UK.

It's HUGE.

It's about violence about women and their status in society, and the culture war for liberty and democracy in America right now.

Blink and you might miss this story. Or not understand it's significance.

When journalists start getting killed, it's BAD. Seriously bad.

This does not bode well for all our futures.

There is a battle going on as usual to blame various usual suspects, i.e. Trump, Milo Yiannopoulos, white people, Hispniac people, and so on.

Actually it's simply about culture.

A culture which sees it as ok and justified to attack women and anyone who speaks out to defend women and women's rights versus those who think that women are deserving of respect.

That certainly people and leaders embody that culture only makes it worse as it only helps to embolden those nasty views by legitimise them.

This has been under the surface for some years. The inception culture isn't new. But it's becoming more prevalent, particularly with public figures also supporting a twisted narrative of who is the victim.

And yes it is important that we have voices saying things like Milo has. It's an effective awaken and call to arms which drip, drip, drip feeds the twisted fantasies of violent men.

berserk.wikia.com/wiki/Brand_of_Sacrifice

"You have now been marked with the Brand of Sacrifice. The lives of those who bear the Brand, from the last drop of blood, to the last moment of your agonizing death, will feed life to the new Child of Darkness"

"The Brand of Sacrifice (生贄の焼印 Ikenie no Yakīn?) marks those for a sacrificial ceremony in which an apostle or God Hand is created. The sacrificed, usually someone close and dear to the summoner, is then ritualistically murdered, with the deceased's life force used to complete the summoner's transition into either an apostle or a member of the God Hand."

*The incel culture

There is a connected issue here about gun ownership, and those who support it. If you want a society where the 2nd amendment is sacred, this sort of slaughter is a consequence. If you allow guns, alongside the fetishisation of ownership as fundamental to your freedom, coupled with no universal healthcare, then you have to lie in your own cartridge-strewn bed, I’m afraid.

Case in point; Canada has similar levels of gun ownership, but also a health service. The contrast on either side of the border could not be more stark.

"Actually it's simply about culture. "

Well this is simply about a mass murder. A wider narrative is, as I said, something that people construct.

A Judge stepped down yesterday, so he has control of the courts and the press.

The biggest respect you can give a journalist is to tell the story that their murderer tried to silence.

The OP is not showing respect for the dead? Don't you think that's a bit of shit come-back?

In a word, no.
See above comment about respect for journalists.

The combination of unstable white men and manga/anime is rarely a positive one.

(And yes, in this case I know that the murderer is mixed race, before that turns into another angry derail.)

violent men probably have quite a lot in common with each other whatever their political ideology or motive is. there was an article citing research that terrorists often had a previous history of DV wasn't there? (sorry i am rubbish at retaining the necessary info to find links).

it doesn't even have to be an organised attack on women's rights (although the incel movement is very blatantly exactly this). i would say that there is always a danger to women when men are this violent.

i think it's really important to look at the people and the patterns behind all crimes like this. to look at their upbringing and their relationships. we need this knowledge in order to try and solve the huge global problem that is male violence.

Well this is simply about a mass murder. A wider narrative is, as I said, something that people construct.

Except that so many of these isolated mass murderers follow this really strange pattern and have common themes.

People can bury their heads in the sand about it, but y'know.

Just another isolated mad man.

there was an article citing research that terrorists often had a previous history of DV wasn't there?

Yep. Hopefully someone, probably Rowan who's our resident encyclopedia, will have the link to hand.

FWIW, AngryAttackKittens, I don't think 'white' is all that important. I read some postings from Asian incel male anime fans (in Asia, not the West) and they seem to be at least as bad as the white ones, especially when misogyny is socially acceptable in most parts of the world.

Japan is itself the home of legalised paedophilia and the SOURCE of all of this culture, and it's popular with socially marginal tech-obsessed males all over the world.

Yeah, the international brotherhood of the aggrieved men with a grudge against women.

Rerailing though, the common element here is a history of violence and obsessive stalking-type behavior towards women. When attempts at control are thwarted these men act out in increasingly dangerous ways.

AAK - apparently his race is listed as "white, non-Hispanic", which appears to directly contradict another report I read

Here is a link about the 5 murdered journalists.

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/us/victims-capital-gazette-shooting.html?action=click&module=Intentional&pgtype=Article

No I do not think the OP is showing them much respect given that she found the time to search for and post that screen print but couldn't be bothered to find out anything about the individual journalists.

see above comment about respect for journalists

Which respect however didn't extend to the 2 or 3 seconds it would have taken to recognise these victims as 5 individual people.

Well you are entitled to your opinion.

I am entitled to mine.

I hold the view, and have always held the view that when journalists are murdered you focus on what it was that they reported or were going to report that is the thing you should focus on.

There are two stories here.

The one to me which is much more important is the one about how dangerous it is to be a journalist. I have supported 'reports without borders' for years and years. I studied media. My personal heroes are war journalists and photographers who risk their lives to tell a story. (I recommend Kate Aide's documentary which is currently on iPlayer as part of the herstory season btw). I see daily the abuse journalists get on twitter as part of their job, which is normalised (and is undeniable worst for women journalists).

If you think I'm gonna back down on this, and go 'oh yes I'm sorry I was disrespectful to those journalists' then you are really going to be in for a bloody bit disappointment.

Journalism and the telling of truth is the bedrock of freedom and justice.

Maybe it would help for people to have a think about why any given person or group would want to encourage a scornful attitude towards journalists, and the idea that they "get what they deserve". "Who does this benefit?" is often an illuminating question.

and the culture war for liberty and democracy in America right now

The left's actions in the "Culture War" in the USA are despicable, hopefully it will come back to them in spades.

The problem these days is that at lot, if not all, of journalists have a left wing bias and probably a left wing agenda.

Mainstream media is laughable nonsense as a result.

If you think I'm gonna back down on this, and go 'oh yes I'm sorry I was disrespectful to those journalists' then you are really going to be in for a bloody bit disappointment.

Oh no I certainly didn't expect that so your reaction doesn't disappoint me in the least. After all it was more important to you to serach for and post that screenshot than to give even a passing thought to who "those journalists" ,as you put it, actually were.

Journalism and the telling of truth is the bedrock of freedom and justice.

This.

In Amsterdam this past week there have been two separate attacks on print media outlets. Fortunately nobody injured. The minister-president has publicly denounced the attacks as a blow against democracy and freedom of speech.

(The attacks are thought to be related to organised crime so I won’t post further details here unless anyone is specifically interested, but it’s certainly relevant as part of a wider attack on journalism that we are seeing in the West at the moment in supposedly ‘civilised’ countries.)

The Cheese

I'd be really interested to read about the two separate attacks please.

Kate Allen @ kateallen
I said this after the Charlie Hebdo murders and I’ll say it again today: I’m very grateful for our security team at @FT HQ, who do their job so that I can do mine. Media shouldn’t need security to produce journalism, but sadly we do.

... and this is one of the most remarkable front pages I’ve seen. Incredible professionalism. Appreciate your news journalists, folks.

Nazir Afzal @ nazirafzal
Terrible murders of journalists #CapitalGazette sadly do not surprise

1️⃣He will have history of abusing women ✔️

2️⃣When President & others call media “enemy of the people” he will have identified a target✔️

You create a hostile environment & someone else pays price

Jane Merrick @ janemerrick23
To experience such horror and still get the paper out - I’m in awe of this professionalism. #journalism

Scott Dworkin @ funder
"Thanks for your prayers, but I couldn't give a fuck about them if there's nothing else." Capital Gazette reporter on CNN

Shannon Watts @ shannonrwatts
Yet again, an armed stalker carries out a mass shooting due to easy access to a gun. Police say the Annapolis shooter was angry the Capital Gazette wrote about his conviction for harassing a woman who rejected him. The misdemeanor charge did not prohibit him from owning guns.

Gosh. What a lot of disrespectful journalists and prosecutors.