I cannot believe that Mumsnet - a parenting site!! - agrees with the following:

[badgirlswatchagonnado]

1. Giving children drugs off-label that have ZERO long-term safety studies

1. Advocating surgery below the age of consent

1. Teaching children LIES (changing sex is physically impossible, and thus a lie)

1. The enforcement of redactive, prescriptive gender stereotypes

1. Encouraging children to ignore parents to get advice from strangers on the internet (and even to leave their parents and live with above internet strangers)

I made a comment last week that was short, but encompassed all the above behaviours and labelled it as abusive.

Because surely it is abusive to treat a child in such a way.

But Mumsnet deleted it, and stated it went against their guidelines, which is the same as agreeing with the above.

Mumsnet isn't interested in child protection.

Mumsnet is happy to see children being injured by dangerous drugs.

Mumsnet is happy to have other posters advocate surgery, drugs, and lies while people like me - who are against these things - get our comments deleted and sanitised.

Just thought people would like to know.

Bowl I agree with a lot of the discription of modern culture as it sounds like we are about the same age. But having been on the outside of what people consider to be the norm most of my life there Was definitely a way to be that did not get.ya beaten up. Back in the 80s too. Though I do feel that there seemed to be a lot. More expression back.then.

I think you are doing what a lot.of us do with young people and place our upbringing on to there's.

And it’s that conformity that gets me now

Is one they hear a lot and I know I am. Sometimes guilty of. It too and have often been told off for. Assuming things about there culture just. Like. I. Did to my parents. I think. Some of the pressures are emence now on them. But the opertunities are also far higher would I want to grow up trans now is often a question young people have asked me and while it would be easy to say yes I'm not sure i really would

The thing is, bespin that I’ve experienced what it’s like to be GNC.

I am finally unpacking what that means, and looking back I think my initial feminism, which was more liberal, was a response to that.

I was so sick of being told (not by my parents but by society) that this is what girls do because I didn’t want those things. I wanted to wear whatever and be free of those expectations. So I rejected a lot of ‘feminine things.’

But now when I look back I see that that was in itself informed by misogyny. I didn’t want kids because I didn’t want to be a housewife I wanted to be a scientist and society told me that housewives was a ‘lesser’ option. So I rejected it.

But now I see that being a sahm is just as valid an option as any and I feel retrospectively rather ashamed for how I felt, because those thoughts were misogynistic culture shaping me.

And through it all, god I’d have been vulnerable to all this grooming i think - be a boy! Reject the feminine! Yes I can see how kids want that. It’s not better care, it’s toxic societal expectations being exploited by adults in a narrow and sexualised and misogynistic climate.

And that process has taken me decades. What chance does an immature teen have?

Not a whelk’s chance in a supernova, that’s what.

Your last made me think of some thing trivial, the long hair. It used to be so normal to have short hair. You just don't see it now.

My tween niece has never had hair shorter than her shoulders and I hope it's because that's genuinely her preference and not because of social pressure, but how would you even isolate that in a kid of that age?

You are so right - it is all to do with isolating those stereotypes as it is easier to market to people conforming to type.

My mum grew my hair as everyone thought I was a boy. I wore my brothers old clothes and was always tagging along. I spent most of my childhood digging in mud and climbing trees. I still dig and climb but call it gardening. My favor books were where the female character dressed as a boy and had the freedom to do what they wanted. Another gen x.

I don't. Disagree bowl that young people don't fully understand what being trans is its. Taken me. Decades to have a better unstanding of it. But in. All those. Years I have never. Doubted I was not trans have I. Sometimes wished I was not yes have I tried to be other things totally but I am trans. There is a reason at 3/4 of The young people leave the Tavistock without transitioning

There is a reason at 3/4 of The young people leave the Tavistock without transitioning

If that figure is correct then that’s a powerful argument for watch and wait.

Yep that figure is correct and why the appoch is on the whole a.watch and wait one.with positive Support the young. People for.who transition. Is right tend to be very certain.the others also.tend to work it out too there is no.treatment of children without a period of watching and waiting. I. Hope that reassures you some what

The thing that young people what when you ask them is to be believed and listened too. They want to feel. Supported in there exploration of who they are and if that leads to them considering treatment or transition then we would support them in. Making those decisions safely while having. All. The information to. Make those choices.

And that process has taken me decades. What chance does an immature teen have?

Not a whelk’s chance in a supernova, that’s what.

This! This! This!

Thanks for highlighting that LangCleg

Missed the reference first time Round bowl though would expect nothing else from someone with that user name lol

I. Hope that reassures you some what

I wish it did. But while that may be the preferred approach it’s not what this small group of vocal activists is pressing for. There are groups actively pushing blockers on these children. There are countless social media persons pushing direct engagement, the other day someone posted a link to an organisation which pushed buying blockers directly over the web and encouraged children to do this in the absence of parental knowledge.

This is the social media climate that’s worrying - it’s feeding a very irresponsible climate of pushing children down an irreversible path.

Those groups pushing blockers and affirmative treatment are marketing this approach to schools, the police and various organisations which have a safeguarding duty. one group at least advocates confidential disclosure which is seen in safeguarding circles as basically an abusers charter.

It’s extremely worrying. So unfortunately no I’m not reassured. It’s a disaster unfolding in front of us.

*There is a reason at 3/4 of The young people leave the Tavistock without transitioning

If that figure is correct then that’s a powerful argument for watch and wait.*

GC- children are being forced through affirmation when they are not trans....

Trans- NO they are not, they are carefully assessed before treatment, and the latest diagnostic criteria separates trans kids from GNC.

Evidence- trans are right.

garam do you support the use of;

Affirmative treatment
puberty blockers
Cross sex hormones
Surgery
... in minors?