I cannot believe that Mumsnet - a parenting site!! - agrees with the following:

[badgirlswatchagonnado]

1. Giving children drugs off-label that have ZERO long-term safety studies

1. Advocating surgery below the age of consent

1. Teaching children LIES (changing sex is physically impossible, and thus a lie)

1. The enforcement of redactive, prescriptive gender stereotypes

1. Encouraging children to ignore parents to get advice from strangers on the internet (and even to leave their parents and live with above internet strangers)

I made a comment last week that was short, but encompassed all the above behaviours and labelled it as abusive.

Because surely it is abusive to treat a child in such a way.

But Mumsnet deleted it, and stated it went against their guidelines, which is the same as agreeing with the above.

Mumsnet isn't interested in child protection.

Mumsnet is happy to see children being injured by dangerous drugs.

Mumsnet is happy to have other posters advocate surgery, drugs, and lies while people like me - who are against these things - get our comments deleted and sanitised.

Just thought people would like to know.

I am certain that the medical transition of under 18s is unethical and dangerous. I can see no possible justification for it.

Medical history is one of my professional interests. Over the years HCP have done dangerous and unethical things because there are fashions in medicine just as there are in other areass. This particular fashion is a real humdinger. When it explodes the fallout will be immense.

On the bright side, it will explode a lot of trans "orthodoxy". But given the price that will be paid, even mentioning a bright side seems in poor taste.

I wonder how much blue hair dye mnhq staff get through these days

No! What thread is that on? I can see all your posts here, Pratchet.

they are testing on children

www.nature.com/news/largest-ever-study-of-transgender-teenagers-set-to-kick-off-1.19637

I don't think this is going to end well.

Its interesting how they mention that by not supporting children to transition either by not believing them or not giving consent for treatment this is transgender conversion therapy. This is in a country where it is more palatable to transition than be homosexual because it isnt in the bible.

Previous page Prawn (alliterating avidly)
I'm sure you can guess what it was

Well that's grim, Pratchet. It must have only been a sentence. This is getting ridiculous.

Well all I can say is that this issue seems to have brought a great many lurkers out of the closet and thank god! you are needed.

@Alexa488 - Delurking once more to say I'm happy to be of service!

I seldom post as others say everything that I would have said anyway, and far more eloquently than I ever could. But I (and others like me, I hope) are here, and share many of the concerns raised in this and other threads regarding trans issues and the impacts on women and children. Sometimes it's important to stand up and be counted, even if you have nothing further to add to the discussion.

It was general. It was TKICA.

Lupron is not just untested, there's ample evidence of harm
www.lupronvictimshub.com/

It's untested on kids and off label. Transactivists should be campaigning for a watch and wait. Instead while they demand adult transition is DEmedicalised, they want child transition medicalised earlier and earlier.

Lang says: When people tell you who they are, listen.

I was given Lupron during IVF treatment. Not much, and over a very short time period of weeks. It came with a shit load of warnings, including detailed discussions of its short- and long-term side effects, as part of my giving informed consent.

The idea of children taking this powerful drug for years, for something that isn't a life threatening condition, is horrifying.

The idea of parents giving their children this powerful drug, in the mistaken belief that it's safe and reversible, is so sad.

The idea of children being given this powerful drug outside medical supervision from an unregulated black market supplier is a dystopian nightmare.

On the contrary some of us have gone from posting relatively regularly to lurking because we don't know what we are allowed to say and i don't want to get deleted as i use this site for much more than just the feminism board. I am still discussing it in real life with people i know though.

Prawnofthepatriarchy

I remember that mother. It was her who helped #peakyrans me. Whatever happened to her?

That 2016 case, as I said at the time, together with giving false statistics should have seen mermaids struck off all public purse funds it receives.

Amalfi, I don't want to breach any confidences. She's still around at times though often changes username. She PM'd me a year or so back, saying the support she'd had from posters here had been life changing for her and her DC. I have immense respect for her devotion to her child.

Prawnofthepatriarchy

If she pms you, or if she's reading us, please pass on my regards and thank her for me. I often think of her and her child and wonder what happened.

I hope they are OK

Will do, Amalfi.

GenderApostate

I have been deleted for calling the use off off label, unresearched drugs, child abuse.
Poisoning healthy kids with cancer drugs and removing healthy body parts is ABUSE.
The people promoting this kind of treatment and suicide ideation are ABUSERS with a terrible agenda.
Ban me, I don’t fucking care any more. I’m perfectly happy with being on the ‘wrong side of history’ when the ‘right’ side involves Eugenics.

What would do you think parents of persistently trans identified children should do to help their children? How should health services respond?

What would do you think parents of persistently trans identified children should do to help their children? How should health services respond?

It’s very difficult for parents. The vast, vast majority want the best for their kids and are just doing what they feel is best. As we all do for our children. Without impartial and full information that is difficult for a parent to do.

How should services respond? Psychological support (as intensive as needed) aimed at non affirmative non irreversible treatment.
Assessment and Treatment for co morbid conditions. Assessment for co existing disorders. There’s a lot of overlap in this population with autistic traits and depression/anxiety.

Basically a big support package, focusing on the child. However, NOTHING irreversible should be done. Puberty blockers are awful drugs with irreversible side effects and there’s also a big danger that this sets children on a pathway that they have no exit ramp from. It’s crucial that kids explore the roots of their feelings - I am absolutely not surprised at all that so many rebel and reject our gender stereotypes. They are hypersexualised and narrowing by the year - the answer to ‘I don’t act like a girl’ is not ‘you’re a boy’ it’s that society’s idea of what a girl can do or be is too narrow.

Puberty blockers are also actively contra indicated in children with any mental health issues.

It’s a difficult path for parents to tread and they need intensive support too.

By following the evidence based path of "watch and wait" as recommended by the NHS, Poula.

As 80% of such children desist, medical treatment is obviously unethical.

Posted too soon. Even if they didn't desist, medical treatment that permanently sterilizes children is unethical. The drugs given have appalling side effects and are being used off label. From the medical ethics POV, anything but a wait and see policy would be inexcusable.

Thanks for the comprehensive replies. Bowl could you possibly please explain what you mean by "non affirmative"?

Thanks Prawn and Bowl.

You don’t treat people with anorexia by allowing them to starve or give self harmers razor blades.