Transgender people can be turned away from female only spaces government says

[mammyoftwo]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5880533/amp/Women-allowed-bar-transgender-people-female-changing-rooms-toilets-ministers.html?ico=amp_mostReadNews

Apologies for the source, it's from the daily fail. However, if true it's definitely a victory worth celebrating!!

Lots of women and girls are intimidated by men in general.

I think probably it'll be a case of turn round and leave, and then stand around outside wondering what if anything to do.

Much of intimindating / unpleasant / creepy behaviour from men doesn't cross the line into illegality and even when it does most of the time women / girls don't really feel able to do much.

There is also the fact that so many men just like fucking with / upsetting women and girls generally, this is a power trip that is asking for abuse, being able to go where they are and then act like dicks til they give up and leave.

I just wanted to reassure the GC feminists posting on here that it's patently obvious that the points being made by Meet et al clearly do not stand up to scrutiny and are not worthy of even a primary school debate.

Exactly. Stop letting threads be deraoledvturning yousrelves inside out trying to argue black is white. All the bloody time. They are laughing as the see you frantically jigging about at the end of their strings. Stop it.

The fact that the three amigos are using cervical cancer to prove that they are women is disgusting but not surprising. They've done it with beat cancer in the past (not these posters AFAIK but other tras on Twitter) claiming that women with double mastectomies were like transmen but obviously transmen were in life or death situations and needed surgery meanwhile for women with breast cancer it was just a choice and not remotely comparable to the trauma experienced by transmen

Disgusting pov and behavior

@Snappity, a vagina contains Skene's glands, Bartholin's glands, and a hymen. Vaginal epithelium is not keratinised, the skin of the penis is. The vagina ends with a cervix unless there is a DSD or the cervix has been surgically removed. A transwoman's surgical construction has none of those things. An inverted glans is not a cervix. An inverted penis or piece of bowel is not a vagina.

I'm relieved that mainstream media are now reporting this. For a long time we were just seen as feminists being nasty. By reporting this as widely as is now happening is taking the whole issue into living rooms and offices all over the country.

Upthread, someone said the snowball effect, that's exactly what it is and what we need.

The fact that the three amigos are using cervical cancer to prove that they are women is disgusting but not surprising.

Nobody has done that here.

How can we follow up on the impact assessments not being done?

I want to know WHY they were not done.
Then I want them done. By impartial experts
Then I want the results published

How do we do this?

They aren't doing it for us Sponty. They've been briefed by the transadvocate Equalities people I am absolutely sure.

I mean, I hope it will backfire. But it's another tactic to get self ID through.

To be honest Pratchet, King Tut could have told them to do it, I really don't care. Imagine all the people who read this over the weekend who had no idea. Hundreds if not thousands of people will have learned about this issue in a simple way.

Women with any sense reading TwoCocks attitude in Huffington post will go straight to the linked petition.

Yes, and they'll all think self id isn't a problem because of it

a vagina contains Skene's glands, Bartholin's glands, and a hymen. Vaginal epithelium is not keratinised, the skin of the penis is. The vagina ends with a cervix unless there is a DSD or the cervix has been surgically removed. A transwoman's surgical construction has none of those things. An inverted glans is not a cervix. An inverted penis or piece of bowel is not a vagina.

No. They are glands etc located near the vagina but are not part of the vagina.

I have never studied keratinisation so I can't comment in detail but my understanding is that only the prepuce is keratinised and, anyway, often penile skin is not used. It is, however, possibly an academic distinction as skin types have a habit of re-mapping themselves following vaginoplasty but the effect has not been studied.

Figuring out how to get impact assessments done is a good idea.

If we are told that sex-based exemptions are protected as they are, but we are also told that people can self-id for a GRC, then the protections offered by partial sex-based exemptions, where a service is offered to legally-women only, will be reduced to the point of being useless. This govt statement doesn't reassure me at all.

In a moment of absent-mindedness, I visited The Guardian web site and the article there said basically the same thing. The Guardian did mention Amy Desir's petition, which has got 12,000 signatures to date. There was the obligatory whiny quote from a Stonewall representative who rejoices in the surname of Twocock. Twocock complained about how this was "toxic".

Too bad, twocock; so sad.

Sex based exceptions can still apply to people who hold a GRC.

The fact the petition reached over 10,000 so got a response was great news. Being linked we can only hope more sign. The more who sign the more the Government are going to have to be careful. It's difficult to row back, easier not to set sail.

Snappity wat u banging on about ?

Re mapping. Blah blah blah

Oh here is the petition btw, in case no one linked it yet...
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

TwoCocks could cause more bomb devices and battery by his stoking the fire against women.

The reason these articles pleased me is simple. They are now out there that sex based exemptions do still apply and it's perfectly legal to apply them. There has been so much uncertainty these articles will clear some of that up.

Sex based exceptions can still apply to people who hold a GRC.

Of course, just as they can apply to any woman.

Snappity is trying their damnedest to derail this thread. Please don't let them.