In the news- another heartbreaking DV incident

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www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/violent-predator-who-abused-teenage-12777210

What a tragic, horrible story. How Oxford Brookes can offer this man a place l do not know, or am I wrong and he's 'done his time'?

You're all right. Let's not do anything. Let's wait patiently for men to stop their bad behaviour, whilst meanwhile they are organising to perpetuate it by, for example, letting particularly vile ones reenrol at university to locate new victims. Meanwhile let our feminism consist of wailing every time they take down a new victim. That ain't my style. My nickname on the streets was 'the fuck off woman' for, well I guess you can imagine. In the end progress will be made by positive action not group hugs.

And let me reiterate, saying we have the power to stop something is NOT the same as saying we are responsible for it.

I don't have time for people who think women are the biggest problem women face.

Lass Am pleased we're on the same page - literally and metaphorically

Norther I see what you're saying, and I agree with you up to a point. But "saying we have the power to stop something is NOT the same as saying we are responsible for it" : Isn't it, though? You're saying that if women showed more solidarity, we could stop men's wrongdoing. It hasn't stopped, ergo the problem must be our lack of solidarity.

The most upsetting thing about this is not that there are evil, violent abusers out there I have to disagree. That is by far the most upsetting thing about this. That and our misogynist society and culture which enables them and protects them. Of course, women are part of that society and culture too, but not an equal part. We have much less power and influence over it's mores than men.

I wondered if the papers were trying to hint at something hAppebing while he was at school by saying that he had gone to three schools - can’t remember exactly which now as I read it a while ago and I’m now tired but how many we’ll connected people at good public schools go to 3 of them?

Maybe 2 if you change for 6th form or suffer bullying and move on. But there was also a quote about him being alpha male on campus at school which doesn’t tie in with bullying.

The only people I knew at senior school who were on 3 or more schools had been expelled somewhere along the line

Will be interesting to see if anything else comes out...

Fucks sake, I have a young relative at Brooks.

That poor, poor wee girl. The pictures of her are heartbreaking.

I hope that he pays for his treatment of her. I hope he never, ever knows happiness. He deserves none.

@minapaws yes l agree, very loaded words l felt- 'minutes' later? Also wondering how much of the Carnegie fortune has funded Oxford Brookes?

It's not explicit how she died in the articles I've read but one said she "strangled herself". With that and the fact that he was seen leaving minutes before, does anyone know why it is so accepted that she committed suicide?

Everyone in halls should have to have a pvg check first.

I'm genuinely sorry if people misunderstood me. I just despair sometimes of everything women face and it helps me to concentrate on what i perceive to be solutions.

Maybe 2 if you change for 6th form or suffer bullying and move on

"6th form " isn't a thing in the Scottish system. Most of the private schools follow the Scottish system of getting your qualifications for university at one sitting in 5th year and 6th year is a pointless add on. A few offer A levels which you would do over 2 years but a child in the private system wouldn't move at 6th year.

But I think women ARE working together more and more. Look at #metoo look here at FWR - I know about so many more risks to my daughters and myself than I would have done without mumsnet & the incredible women here, look at womens place wntt etc. Cosby was largely convicted due to the corroborating accounts of several of his victims. But look at the backlash too - against #metoo and here with the new talk guidelines. Bad men really really really don't like women organising.

This case is really sad and maddening. How can that man still have a glowing future ahead of him, and be allowed back into University and campus life after what he has done.

I see Emily's mother has been campaigning in Scottish Universities to raise awareness among students and staff.

Laura Bates wrote a piece in The Pool last year [https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2017/48/laura-bates-on-emily-drouets-death-domestic-abuse We urgently need to shatter domestic violence myths to save girls like this]]

It contains this quote:

"But figures released last week by the Office for National Statistics revealed that young women aged between 16 and 19 are actually the most likely victims, with one in 10 experiencing domestic abuse in the last year alone."

And I am left scratching my head wondering when the fuck schools and universities and society are going to wake up and start taking the issues seriously. Why should it have taken Emily's death and the campaigning of her mother to bring about changes.

We urgently need to shatter domestic violence myths to save girls like this

Aberdeen University pastoral care could do with a good shake up too.

Nother I get what you’re saying and can relate. I don’t blame women at all for the actions of men, but I have moments of absolute astonishment at the way some women will make excuses for men, and I have a moment of feeling like “fuck it then, if we’re this stupid, we deserve out oppression”. I don’t mean it of course, they’ve just internalised sexism, they didn’t grow up in a vacuum. But if only we could support each other more, rather than being so keen for male approval, we’d have more power, a stronger voice.

What does a man have to do to be shunned?
At the very least he abused this girl and pushed her to suicide and hasn’t shown a hint of remorse. At the least. He’s basically had to repeat 1st year!
At what point would the rest of society say no we don’t want him here. Even convicted rapists go on to have a social life.

Reviving this thread because Emily Drouet’s parents are still fighting for justice and are launching a landmark civil case against Angus Milligan. I was horrified by this case and I can’t believe the pain Emily’s parents have gone through in the intervening years. I wonder what the very wealthy, privileged Angus Milligan has been up to these past 5 years.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12337823/Family-teenage-university-student-took-life-campaign-abuse-ex-boyfriend-launch-landmark-legal-bid-sue-compensation.html

Wishing her family peace, strength and justice.