Jenn Smith is a transgender male (born male, expressing fem)

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... I have just discovered them... wonderfully outspoken and clear about needing to protect the rights of women and children in Canada.... and this is how they describe themselves

But this does so expose the challenge of finding a suitable name for transpeople that all can agree on. Let alone which personal pronouns!

At the moment confusion reins - with people new to the debate (like I was just a few months ago) not clear about which sex/gender transmen and transwomen represent as names - what is appropriate to say (or not say) e.g. TIM, MtF, etc.

It is likely that a name will emerge that all can agree on - a compromise I hope without women giving up the name women, for example.

Does anyone have any idea what it might be?

Personally I am in favour of the clarity of Jenn's approach - calling themselves a transgender male, recognising that what they are doing is expanding the bandwidth of what being male is - and believe that if this was consistently used, in time he would no longer need to use the brackets with fuller explanation.

Im not going to ask for link yet. I am going to MFN meeting, hopefully next one, and when I have established my credentials in real life I will ask to connect. I know I am really new here and people have to be careful and I respect that.

Thanks. Miranda also self-describes as 'mle tr*sxl' so it's really odd not to be able to say it. It's extraordinary to deny them their own right to be described by others with the truthful phrases they use to describe themselves.

No. It is the use of banned terms and trying to use this one example to come up with terminology for all trans people. And the thread has already attracted one poster to say that trans women are really trans men

So you are saying that Jenn is not allowed to use their own choice of words to describe themselves, that the topics they are discussing are the wrong topics and nobody is allowed to discuss the potential misunderstandings when tumbling words and concepts around? Who died and made you boss of Trans people and what they are allowed to think and talk about?

Link or where the 'other place' is. Have googled and gone through the topics

I think it's gender critical Reddit area unless I'm wrong.

This appears goady to me.

It's like living with a parrot, except the parrot hates you.

Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely plumage!

The parrot's been trained to gas light every 5th comment

Owner: (pause) I got a slug.

(pause)

Mr. Praline: Pray, does it talk?

Owner: Nnnnot really.

Mr. Praline: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?

Can we have a slug replacement for the parrot?

'Jen is an old school transvestite and doesn't appropriate womanhood'

And yet she describes herself as "{born male, expressing fem. How does one 'express as female'?

Transgender male is a perfectly fine term. It's completely descriptive and non-judgmental and covers all the relevant info. This person is a male who identifies as being transgender or having the opposite gender.

However, not all men who dress in stereotypically feminine ways are transgender. I would just say 'feminine man' is a good general term for if their transgender status is unknown. Mis-gendering is seen as offensive by many people and that goes both ways, you shouldn't just assume that a man in a dress is transgender. Sex is immutable tho and is not the same as gender so referring to someone's sex can't be mis-gendering.

PMSL at the parrot comments. I loled and startled my 5 year old niece.

"Restricting the language we use here is so unhelpful"

So you would be in favour of allowing people to use the word C word which is the antonym of "trans" and the acronym beginning with T that is used by some people for GC feminists?

'Who's a pretty boy then'

Opheliah - I think it's gender critical Reddit area unless I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

So you would be in favour of allowing people to use the word C word which is the antonym of "trans" and the acronym beginning with T that is used by some people for GC feminists?

A - there is no antonym for 'trans'.

B - those are both slurs, whereas the language we used to be able to use, was factual.

I think c*s is fine to use on here. It's a slur but so those who use it are hoist by their own petard. I am not the only one who has said that they do not wish this word to be "banned' from MN

Use factually-incorrect language with a pseudo-scientific slant and you are shown up for what you are. Marina algae

It's completely without meaning.

If (non existent) brain sex overrides biological sex then there is no 'female' body for your 'gender' to be aligned with. It's absolute nonsense.

It's all such drivel