Friday

[Amalfimamma]

Have de all' survived another day?

Maybe that was mns secret plan all along Lang, and why they focus on it being possible to still make our points within the rules...?

Oh still here and all lives remain, btw

I’m also trying to come out of lurk mode. It’s a sign of the times though that I feel nervous about signing up somewhere else. What if it’s all a front? I’ve composed the email and deleted it about 5 times now!

Ah hello! I didn't see this. One strike.

Present, delurked and strike free, thus far.

Here and a happy bunny. Two strikes reduced to one after and appeal (refused) appealed again - accepted.

I've promised to try and behave, this is not an easy task after a lifetime of being a gobby cow but a promise is a promise.

Good news, Spontaneous.

Now - be careful out there!

That's great spontaneous

Loving all the delurkers! Yes yes yes to stepping up and speaking out. This is a relay race

Thanks for the congrats. To be fair I was furious and made it known, but I really did feel I had a good case and then an email from MN this morning about something else really did seal the deal. However, MN were fair and listened, the first time maybe not so much but the second appeal they did. We can't be expected to know if what we are posting is against the rules if they don't state as much. That was my argument and was accepted. One thing that has been made clear, attempts to circumnavigate the rules will result in a strike.

So it is possible to appeal against unfair strikes?

That's good to know. Especially when the guidelines are nebulous, and some decisions do not seem fair.

I know we are allowed to say transpeople, but are we still allowed to refer to them as male bodied and female bodied transpeople? Would that description make it clear that the body being referred to was the basic underlying structure, irrespective of any surgical and pharmacological adaptations? Or is it supposed to indicate the opposite, in which case the description becomes meaningless since the new trans umbrella includes people who do nothing at all to change their outer presentation.

I am still thinking about BettyDuMondes post Thu 21-Jun-18 18:55:14
on www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3282760-would-you-back-self-id-if?pg=8&messages=100 where she advocates for a selection of theoretical genders to chose from (none of which can be named man/woman/girl/boy/male/female - these terms are to be used to describe biological sex alone)

She has put a lot of consideration into the proposals, I'd like her ideas to be included in the upcoming parliamentary consultations.

stealthsquirrelnutkin Yes, we can appeal. In the first email (refusal of my appeal) MN stated they are always happy to re look at moderating decisions. I think if you genuinely believe your strike has been unfair and can give a good and valid reason then MN will be reasonable. I'm not saying I think the new rules are fair - I don't, but if you have been sanctioned and you think unfairly, do appeal.

Hola

One thing that has been made clear, attempts to circumnavigate the rules will result in a strike.

In the absence of an acceptable term for [we all know who I mean] that neither upsets them by referencing their sex nor offends me by appropriating my sex, I don't see what choice I have other than attempt to circumnavigate the rules.

I've asked MNHQ directly on all the threads here and in Site Stuff for such a term and said that I will use it when provided.

None forthcoming.

Still here. I don't post much, though.

Oi, ACRONYMerf, you've nicked my word from the 'other' site!

LangCleg You've just made a point I forgot to mention. MN have said they don't trawl threads so it is better to post about things on site stuff. I know some messages regarding this have not been answered so the email address I used is [email protected]

Just to let you know. I received a warning although not a strike today for using 'acronym'. MN Have said in certain contexts it's a way to circumnavigate the rules.

Ah thank you Scarlet - must have missed that.

spontaneous

Asked several times on every Site Stuff thread. Others have too. Have been ignored by all the clarifications and updates.

I don't mind not using the acronym specified. I don't mind using a term that does not reference the sex of the group concerned. But I will not use any term for that group which appropriates the vocabulary of my sex. I don't think that's unreasonable. It's the same principle for both sets of views.

If MNHQ gives me a term for that group that does not reference anybody's sex, I will use it. Until then, I'm going to have say things along the lines of [group there is no mutually acceptable term for] - I should hope this will not result in a sanction when I have repeatedly asked for a term I can use.

LangCleg I couldn't agree with you more. In an email I sent to MN I said I would not use TW, or the longer versions as it takes away my sex. I don't know how "men presenting as woman" would go down but that is something I could use. I won't agree to anything that appropriates my sex.

Hold on a sec. We can't use banned terms, and we refuse to use activist-approved terms that are blatant lies. So some of us are using (acronym) and [redacted] as a way of still being understood while not breaking the rules.
So we're going to get deleted for essentially resisting being forced to say 'Trans women are women' and all the variations thereof?

FloralBunting This is copied from the email this morning with nothing redacted.

"We just wanted to drop you a line as we have had a few reports about your use of the term 'acronym' (in place of 'TIM'), specifically in the OP of this thread.

We think in general we're going to have to delete this kind of thing. Generally speaking you could use the word 'people', 'transpeople', or even 'TRAs', if that's the group you are referring to. In this instance, you could probably even have said 'goady trolls'."

I see Gibberish is back.