Penny Mordaunt has made her position at Women & Equalities Committee

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She said what trans people face is misperception.
She said that this is like the fight for gay rights in the 80s.
She said we are frightened and have no experience of trans people.
She said that the videos and lectures going around are bigotry
She said that they need to show solidarity, but that won’t be set out in anything because questions have to be asked neutrally.

She’s a fucking woman and she said that we’re (and I am paraphrasing) misinformed bigots for caring about the rights of women and children.

I am so right now.

Elletorro: how do I do that?

"I think SparticusAutisticus hit the nail on the head on the other thread by saying you cannot identify into a protected characteristic. Doing so is a mockery of the system. It entirely invalidates it."

"It's no longer protected if it can be identified into, it's an open door policy."

So how do you see the protected characteristic of religion and belief working?

So how do you see the protected characteristic of religion and belief working?

As I explained upthread, they are not captured by Gender Identity. Gender is captured by Gender Identity. The clue is in the name.

Gender is captured by Gender Identity. The clue is in the name.

I think that this is what is behind the renaming of 'sex' as 'gender', and the replacing of 'gender reassignment' with 'gender identity'. You then have two protected characteristics which seem to be the same thing: 'gender' and 'gender identity', so you no longer need them both and can replace 'sex' in the Equality Act with 'gender identity'. And all protections for women and girls disappear.

"There is a clear conflict of interest between the rights of women and girls and the rights of those who wish to live as though they are female."

That's a distinction in your opinion. Other people see no distinction and no conflict of interest.

"As I explained upthread, they are not captured by Gender Identity. Gender is captured by Gender Identity. The clue is in the name."

No. Gender identity is quite different to gender. It's sex and gender which are allied.

Yes OldCrone, it is entirely deliberate as we now know. And was done deliberately behind the scenes, so that we wouldn't know.

There are consequences.

And as there are 30 million females in this country, we will be listened to now.

It's sex and gender which are allied.

Can you explain how they are linked? And how they are different from each other?

Other people see no distinction and no conflict of interest.

So in your view there is no conflict between a girl's right to not have boys in her school changing room and the right of a boy to identify as a girl and use the same changing room?

Snappity, do waffle away.

You are posting on a feminist board and expecting people to be taken in by your incoherent justifications, in the middle of a thread where people quite clearly can see right through this and are acting on it?

Have you not noticed?

Pratchet

This shows you how to request the consultation documents.

ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/official-information/

Thankyou

Just watched the video. Oh dear.

The quote "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt. " comes to mind.

According to Miss Clever Clogs, second wave feminism was all about bodies - no sunshine, I was there. Believe me it wasn't.

Melamin
^From the above, I take the following:

There is a clear conflict of interest between the rights of women and girls and the rights of those who wish to live as though they are female.

Identifying into a protected characteristic is problematic - does that happen elsewhere?^
Transsexualism is a congenital condition — it is not a choice.
Religion, on the other hand, is a protected characteristic, but it is very much a matter of "self-identification" — no need for any paperwork whatsoever.

Transexual is a congenital condition? Do you have a citation for that?

Transsexualism is a religion or belief.

Yeah exactly. There's no science behind it except as a mental health problem. There is absolutely no science to support the idea of 'innate gender identity'. It's no secret.

The only thing biological about it is that disorders such as dysmorphia occur inside the brain, which biological organ.

Religion, on the other hand, is a protected characteristic, but it is very much a matter of "self-identification" — no need for any paperwork whatsoever

I am attending the ordination of a Priest next weekend. Serious amount of work and effort gone on to get there.

But you know. Let's just repeat

GENDER IDENTITY

It's the words Stonewall want making into a law. Only about gender. So quit with your blag please, you are not fooling anyone.