Penny Mordaunt has made her position at Women & Equalities Committee

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She said what trans people face is misperception.
She said that this is like the fight for gay rights in the 80s.
She said we are frightened and have no experience of trans people.
She said that the videos and lectures going around are bigotry
She said that they need to show solidarity, but that won’t be set out in anything because questions have to be asked neutrally.

She’s a fucking woman and she said that we’re (and I am paraphrasing) misinformed bigots for caring about the rights of women and children.

I am so right now.

Picasso did. She was ace. The room was predominantly female and most of the audience really knew or understood what we were saying. The meeting wasn’t really worthwhile but for the number of women in there making their points for women and girls.

womanf ! as if we werent already frightened enough!

Sweary. I was building on your point about the bomb scares. Thank you for saying that.

And thank you Prawn for saying what you said, brilliant.

Who was that amazing woman in the second row who stood up and explained every single law is still by statute still en-couched in masculine terms. She was my hero of the night.

And the Radfem collective woman from Leicester. Shit hot, shot hot, shit hot. I hope you are here. Speak to us?

Agree with Rat again

The balance has to be in neither camp. Safeguarding is a neutral factor and cuts both ways but in many instances it is likely to be held to be legitimate to safeguard children and women in vulnerable situations from male bodies. That doesn’t necessarily mean transgender people should be required to use services related to their natal sex; there should probably be dedicated provisions for them.

The EHRC guidelines fail to address that much of our safeguarding systems have treated sex segregation as axiomatic.

The EHRC have completely failed to recognise that allowing anyone to propose into their preferred gender’s services actually strengthens the legitimacy of excluding gender reassigned individuals from WAG spaces for safeguarding reasons. Particularly if a third space can be offered.

I would lobby for EHRC guidance to be improved and take into account safeguarding and that, particularly in relation to public services a “case by case” application is both ludicrously unworkable and at odds with established caselaw for objective justification for indirect discrimination.

Sound wonderful

(that was to Picasso, sweary etc )

Sorry for the cross post.

I’m glad you guys went. Nothing like showing MPs that they are playing with fire.

I would lobby for EHRC guidance to be improved and take into account safeguarding and that, particularly in relation to public services a “case by case” application is both ludicrously unworkable and at odds with established caselaw for objective justification for indirect discrimination.

YY.

Elletooro
What was very interesting tonight there was a woman from the combined group of protected characteristic bodies representing 80 charities etc. I did not take notes, but many did, I am sure someone can rememebr her name and org. She was a key speaker.

When she was corrected by the audience to say sex, she pointedly looked at us and said NO it's not sex.

The problem is that institutions are not balancing rights and that the EHRC guidelines on “case by case” application have neatly sidestepped the massive body of case law on objective justification for indirect discrimination which is also a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Elletorro

There was a brilliant lawyer there tonight who set out quite clearly the exclusion from justice built into the system. Relying on court processes and the stupid amount of money needed to enforce a protection was quite openly discussed today as impossible and unworkable and UNEQUAL.

That’s really interesting

And something we need to be telling our MPs.

My Labour MP thinks that they can sit back and WAG will do the heavy lifting of making caselaw. Ignoring that we are structurally disadvantaged in having any spare time to do that never mind cash!!

I’d been wondering about it ever since. Nice to know someone else is already on it

Yep. It was a core part of the discussion today. Creating situations where recourse to the law is required does not create equality.

Fantastic.

Great point. Another element of structural inequality.

Solidarity is given by choice, not extorted on demand.

What was very interesting tonight there was a woman from the combined group of protected characteristic bodies representing 80 charities etc. I did not take notes, but many did, I am sure someone can rememebr her name and org. She was a key speaker.

How odd, and worrying.

Totally agree with and applaud all the points above on EHRC guidance and workability.

Someone said 'it's not sex' about the protected characteristic?

And on the other hand they claim the protected characteristics are not under attack?

Penny Mordaunt will regret this. Marginal MPs will lose their seats.

*Yesterday 19:10 Imnobody4

Has anyone seen the consultation done with LBGT community. Was it a questionnaire or asking for submissions?*

There were 100K responses including an astonishing 7K from the trans community and an even more astonishing 7.4K from the non-binary community. The responses were not favourable, I gather, for self ID.

Government LGB and transadvocate Ollie Entwistle said the findings of the survey were 'stark' which I assume is why they weren't released. He said:

'So we had a good insight into what it's like being trans today. Very instructive for shaping future policy. Can't release results but there will be some 'stark findings' in the survey'.

That 'stark' is a bit of a clue. I think the rest of the LGB is a lot more gender critical than had been thought.

What consultation

Was it with a public body?

IT was a public survey

As a GP it's laughable that some folk think GP are going to want to prescribe puberty blockers off license to little kids.
We are very anti secondary care work being dumped on us, especially for off license drugs and with the exception of dedicated trans advocate GP trainee Dr Harrup I can't see any GPs wanting to get involved in this potential litigation minefield.

Who commissioned it?

Is it possible to do an FOI?

It was the government. I don't know to what end.

Well then I think we can ask for a copy

They would (rightly) also shoo away a 16 year old girl requesting a permanently sterilising operation.

They shoo away me when I ask to be sterilized. I am 32, I have 2 kids and a disability that was brought on by the birth of my second child, an addiction to morphine because of said illness, a cocktail of other drugs because of this, so clearly any pregnancy would be a huge risk to me and the baby. But no. Meanwhile they are sterilizing children. Fucking disgusting.