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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans child - sports day

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Lollipop30 · 18/06/2018 19:18

I’m not sure quite how I feel about this. We’ve just been to my daughters sports day (primary school). In her class there is a transgender child who now associates with being female. Fine, and it’s actually been amazing how well all the kids have just accepted her especially having known them under a different name/gender prior.
My query is with sports and sports day. She raced with the girls despite being male by gender, and although physically the difference is still only slight surely this isn’t quite right?

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Pratchet · 19/06/2018 21:45

No: excuse me I'm not being clear. I mean my kid at that age had long hair and wore a dress everywhere and all his friends were girls. I mean, like that, sorry.

Pratchet · 19/06/2018 21:46

It just occurred to me. I can't imagine telling him he was a girl because of that.

Pratchet · 19/06/2018 21:47

Sorry that's not half as interesting as if the sports day mother had arrived on the thread!

Geordiegirl1988 · 19/06/2018 21:48

It's not the olympics

athingthateveryoneneeds · 19/06/2018 21:51

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PeakPants · 19/06/2018 21:53

Oh, okay. I was a bit confused about it at first.

elephantscanring · 19/06/2018 21:55

They’re only in yr1 but physically there is already a difference in size in general between the girls and boys

No there’s not. In Year 1 more girls are bigger. The size difference doesn’t start until much nearer puberty.

And really? A trans child in Year 1??

SarahCarer · 19/06/2018 21:55

Diagnosed trans at 6 years old?! That is an absolute travesty.

Imsodonewithshit · 19/06/2018 21:56

My child (in primary) identifies as a boy.

I tell her everyday that she has a vagina so is a girl. But can dress and wear what she likes. Guess where she heard the term transgender ...it wasn't at home...the school encourage it.

But I guess I must be abusing my child. It's definitely not that she is a Tom boy like I was and her sister was, who happens to be growing up in a scary world where liking boys things makes her a boy.

SuperDandy · 19/06/2018 21:59

Interestingly, age within year group has a lifelong impact on sporting success. People with birth dates in the first quarter of the academic year for the place they were in education have a significantly higher likelihood of becoming an elite athlete than others, and it decreases through each quarter. A birth date in the last quarter of the academic year makes you far less likely to have a career in sport.

It's caused by the positive reinforcement of winning a lot more at primary age, and hence getting more confident, and also more attention and and better coaching, and the affects last into adulthood.

PerspicaciaTick · 19/06/2018 21:59

They’re only in yr1 but physically there is already a difference in size in general between the girls and boys (even if marginal)

This is the bit that makes me doubt the whole thread.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 19/06/2018 22:00

@Imsodonewithshit I hope you don't think I'm referring to parents like you, who are affirming reality while supporting your child through a turbulent time.

Teaching a 5/6 year old that they can somehow change sex is a lie, and will set them on the road towards irreversible medications and surgery, which is what I see as abusive. It's wrong, and it's shocking to me that people seriously consider a child this young is capable of consent on such matters.

SuperDandy · 19/06/2018 22:15

"I hope you don't think I'm referring to parents like you, who are affirming reality while supporting your child through a turbulent time."

That's the trouble with making sweeping generalisations though. They are based in assumptions that may be wholly untrue in the first place (the assumption here being that a child is being told they can change sex, which has no basis at all from what's been shared in the thread) and unless you spell that out and acknowledge that you don't actually even know whether that's what is happening here, then you sweep up all parents of children presenting as trans in your statement. And that comes over as hostile and prejudiced, even if you don't mean it to.

Pratchet · 19/06/2018 22:19

Imsodone: I'm sorry. I wish you could take her out of school.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 19/06/2018 22:20

@SuperDandy perhaps, but I've clarified my statement and I stand by it, regardless of how others may interpret my words.

Jaxhog · 19/06/2018 22:23

Poor kid.

Why do we even make a distinction between girls and boys at that age? If we treated them the same, same classes, same races , even same uniform etc. then we would be teaching them a valuable lesson. Boys and girls are EQUAL.

I also wanted to be a rabbit at that age. I grew out of it.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 19/06/2018 22:23

There is a trans child in P1 in my local primary. Very sadly, it really does happen.

Imsodonewithshit · 19/06/2018 22:24

From the outside though No one has a clue what I'm doing.

So sweeping generalisations suck

Lottapianos · 19/06/2018 22:27

'I can't imagine telling him he was a girl because of that.,'

Probably because you have your head screwed on straight and realised that none of those things meant he was a girl

throwawayagain · 19/06/2018 23:12

This is a pile of shite.
Through primary, I was a tomboy. I didn't understand why boys could hang around in summer with their T-shirts off, and I couldn't.
I didn't think I was male, I just wanted to be treated the same.
I could also beat the boys in athletics.
This continued through middle school. I gradually came to understand the physical differences between women and men. I could still run faster though!
As I grew up, I still resented that men had greater freedom than women. I still knew I was a woman though.
As an adult, I became more feminine in appearance generally. However, I'm generally happier in jeans, vests and hoodies. At no moment did I have the sense that I wasn't a woman though.
I am a bloody woman. I live as a woman. I married a man (largely irrelevant), and carried babies in my uterus. I had periods and lactated. It was womanly stuff, and I didn't necessarily embrace it all. My biology made it so, and I lived my life.
I don't wear false eyelashes and have large breasts. I never will.
Thank goodness I was never subjected to the imaginary 'identity crisis' as a child.

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