Trans child - sports day

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I’m not sure quite how I feel about this. We’ve just been to my daughters sports day (primary school). In her class there is a transgender child who now associates with being female. Fine, and it’s actually been amazing how well all the kids have just accepted her especially having known them under a different name/gender prior.
My query is with sports and sports day. She raced with the girls despite being male by gender, and although physically the difference is still only slight surely this isn’t quite right?

This child is being brought up to believe that all women and girls will always defer to what they say and will be punished if they don't. This is how to create a narcissistic.

I think what's most important here is the acceptance the child has from their peers.

Year 1 - so very wrong.

If boy races and girl races are pointless in primary, just have one race for everyone. Don't pretend boy races and girl races are unimportant, yet vitally important to ensure the mental well-being of one child.

I don't think that the difference is marginal. My child is in preschool and at the younger end of the year. Compared to him most of the girls look like victorian street urchins. May just be his class though. When I first saw them all together I was a bit shocked by how much bigger the boys looked.

Also a bit about a child transitioning socially so young. Is a year one child even capable of understanding the differences between the sexes at that age..

So the child is 5 or 6? Wow, when did they transition? Poor kid. I know loads of children that age and half of them identify as dogs or robots. What are the parents thinking

Poor kid. They are a kid. They aren't trans.

This kind of grooming is disgusting. One is being taught that everyone will bow down to their rights and needs over everyone else and the rest are being taught that boys feelings matter more and that it's not worth them even trying.

It's not right for any of them.

Poor children

Crikey.

My littlest daughter is in year 1 and currently wants to be a ninja or a minivan driver.

How long before a staff member suggests I contact Mermaids, do you reckon?

If you have concerns about how sports day was run it's usually best to ask to speak to the head teacher about it. That's way you can raise any issues with someone who can actually put your mind to rest, or make changes if needed.

I don't get why kids are separated into boys and girls so much at early primary, and there's often no good reason for it all, so that's a good starting point.

It's not reasonable to equate parents or schools permitting a child to present as the other gender with child abuse. MNHQ have asked lots of times that posters don't do that. Fair enough to disagree with those choices, but lining it up with child abuse crosses the line MNHQ have decided on, and this is their gaff.

It's not reasonable to equate parents or schools permitting a child to present as the other gender with child abuse. MNHQ have asked lots of times that posters don't do that. Fair enough to disagree with those choices, but lining it up with child abuse crosses the line MNHQ have decided on, and this is their gaff.

If by 'presenting as another gender' you mean wearing what they like and playing with whatever toys they like, then of course. That's irrelevant.

If though you mean affirming or encouraging a male child to falsely believe, state and demand acceptance as a female child, then I would say that is equivalent to any other emotional abuse. Teaching a child a lie which may ultimately lead to great distress and infertility if they come to believe and internalise that lie as if it were true.
This male child is not being merely told that they are a boy who likes certain things. The class are apparently told to accept him as if he were the opposite SEX. He is running with the opposite sex. This is not about 'presentation' or expression.

So as always, it comes down to what you mean by your words.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQMHB01YhK8

Poor little boy.

When I was that age, I wanted to be a rabbit.

They’re only in yr1 but physically there is already a difference in size in general between the girls and boys

I find that very hard to believe. I've worked in primary classes for years and the children in one year group vary in size and height enormously with some girls a whole head taller than boys and vice versa.

There can almost a year in age difference and this has more impact in Year 1 than their biological sex.

Wrong in so many ways

I have a huge problem with this. The young child being told they’re trans is really problematic, but that’s something separate for me here.

What’s awful is it’s normalising allowing boys and men into girls and women’s sports for these 5 year olds. They will always have had a boy competing and when puberty hits and the physical differences mean something they won’t know to complain. It’s so manipulative in making these girls accept something as a given when it shouldn’t be. Ditto if this small child is using the girls loos etc - it’s preventing boundaries being set and it’s akin to grooming IMO.

I could totally see this being my little boy. He's 5 years old, in reception. He ADORES his big sis, whenever together he will deny liking trucks, cars, football to appear poor acceptable to her. Hey when he's with his pals he reverts back to car/football/dinosaur loving little boy. However what would happen if his sister went to nursery with him, would it stop?

It's frickin ridiculous, I would have to report to social services I think

My eldest wanted to be a dog at that age. Spent about a year going round on all 4s and barking, etc. It was the only game she wanted to play.

I'm obviously a bad mum cos I didn't take her on walks or feed her dog food. She was absolutely convinced she could be a dog though and would snuggle in our dog's bed and pretend to sleep there.

We explained that it was impossible, but she could play this game if she still wanted to, and then pretty much ignored it.

Like most trans kids, when left alone, she grew out of it (and is now highly embarrassed by it and can't believe she did it).

For the people saying this is fine now because everyone is pre puberty, here's the problem - it having been established that this child can compete with the girls, by the time they hit puberty age they'll have been doing so for years. What do you think the chances are of then persuading either the child or their parents that they must no longer be allowed to compete with the girls?

I have a problem with this for a few reasons.

1. No need to have separate boys and girls races below 9-10 years old, IMO.

2. Those saying it doesn't matter because they don't, at this stage, have a physical advantage - they will have in a few years. So they're going to need to go back to the boys then or have unfair races (and I'm pretty sure it will be the latter)

This was my child. I've just realised. Oh my goodness. Thank the lord we missed it.

You mean the OP refers to your child, Pratchet?