If I identified as trans - Eddie Izzard

[pombear]

I'd be seriously concerned that this person who claims to represent the trans issue is making a hash of said issue, and politics in general:

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"I'm a member of the NEC. I've been a member of the NEC for about two weeks now. And I'm running for re-election right now, that's how relection works right now. ...I believe we have a slogan for the Labour Party, For the Many, Not the Few [what, you just found out Eddie?]"

Eddie in another LabourLive clip talks about 100 years of suffragettes "women, or , er, and transgender people...'2018. the end of the first world war. and er, we exist. so if you ever get depressed about the global situation draw a graph of human rights from ancient Eyypt...."

I used to admire Eddie for reclaiming stereotypical 'women's' clothing to represent the bandwidth of male.

Eddie seems to have recently swallowed the transgender agenda, and then got so confused that Eddie's not able to put together a coherent speech that doesn't involve ice-cream, ancient Egypt or, well, erm, I'm not sure. (And yep, you can shout at me 'it's just humour' but the 25 people amassed by the stage didn't seem to think it was humour either!).

It's Sunday, I've had a glass of wine, and this thread may not make sense, but I used to be a) a Labour supporter, b) a trans 'ally' and c) an Eddie Izzard fan.

WTF happened in the last couple of years that excluded some females from the above?

(Rhetorical question for many women on this board!)

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The other thing argumentative that makes me the most sad.

So many of the arguments against womens' and girls' rights seem to assume that we're all buried in some world that doesn't understand 'you'.

(not that there's anything wrong with that, as we come from all diferrent worlds).

But i come from a world of comms, media, events, PR, and the BBC (Yep!) in my background.

So you can stop shitting around with 'you don't understand about 'Eddie's scheduled set' .

Sound checks. Interviews. Noddies. Press releases. Comms roles.
Spinning. All the fuck else.

There are many, many females on this board who have had fuck-loads of experience in the tv/PR./film/comms world who see you.

And all of those females who haven't had that experience, they're not 'thick', they don't not understand what's going on here.

We're here. Whether you're been raised in the media-world, or just seen it from the periphery.

The females see it.

He's also a professional performer as well as his new politician role so surely wouldn't have been thrown by being in front of a crowd?

Another one who loved Eddie for expanding the bandwidth of what it meant to be male... depressing beyond measure

You must have had more than one wine OP because none of what you're saying makes comprehensible sense to me let alone being able to debate with it 😂 which is probably for the best.

Ah, argumentative, thank you for that classic 'you've had too much to drink' argument.

So Eddie is rambling, not making sense, not connecting their arguments to politics, or even standard trans-debates, etc - oops, he was just 'unprepared'. Bless him. ?

You state that that's because he's opening a festival, and maybe not have been prepared for the political so, ahhh, bless him, forgive him his ramblings.

I point out that it's very unlikely, given PR, Labour comms, Eddie's PR team themselves, would have let him go on and ramble accidentally. Cos, you know, PR and stuff. And Eddie, as a celeb (!!) will have guidance.

But you, in Eddie's defence - tell me I'm not comprehensible cos of one glass of wine!

If I'd had five glasses, I would concede you're right, probs for the best not to debate me, but don't condescend me at one glass!

It's Eddie, not me, who's being incomprehensible at Labour Live!

Journalists - wrong.

Women who've had a glass of wine -wrong.

Anyone who wants to debate the issue - wrong.

People who just love Eddie, cos 'fake news', none of you realise what he's really up against/wasn't prepared enough - right.

I'm all for fairness - was waiting since yesterday for the balanced clips that showed Eddie's speech that swooped skywardness out of that bumbling/non-preparedness into the subject area he had actually come to Labour Live to talk on.

It didn't happen.

Argumentative feel free to link to those bits of his speech. (I'll still be on my one glass of wine!)

We went to see Eddie do stand up a few years back and were so excited. His shows Dressed to Kill and Glorious were brilliant, he was pro-EU, the tickets were expensive and I'd also enjoyed a lot of his acting work. And as others have said, his challenge to traditional masculine norms was inspiring.

It was dire. He was often incoherent and kept going off on serious political tangents, including a massive fucking rant about Thatcher, who was dead. A lot of the audience were disappointed, judging from the mutterings on the way out.

Eddie Izzard, whose transition into Anne Robinson seems nearly complete

This is wonderful

It sickens me that he made it onto the NEC. He is anti-Corbyn and now rewriting his own history...some of us are old enough to remember.

In your quotes in the OP, literally all Eddie talks about is his election and how we should recognise the contributions trans folk have made to history and the ongoing improvements in everyone's human rights. He was making small talk with the audience, not necessarily intending to make informative or meaningful political points. If you feel what he said was harmful, that's your prerogative, but we're destined to disagree on that. I think we were destined to disagree from the moment you decided to start a thread hypothesising on what you would think if you were trans. I dont hypothesize about whether I would have thought MLK was a good representation of the black community if I had been/was black. I can have my own thoughts on the topic without attempting to force myself into other peoples shoes, in a way that seems intended to invalidate the opinions of any actually trans people who disagree with you and whose opinions on the subject matter more in this case.

I'll still be waiting after my one (1) glass of wine for the clips that shows Eddie soaring beyond his bumbling (not fair, not yet prepared, hey, didn't know he was going to be talking at Labour LIve {hmm} that vindicate my terribly drunken (one glass of wine) take-down of Eddie!

You are sounding a bit worse for wear yourself tbh there argumentative.

Like the barfly on the end stool, who rambles on making no sense whatsoever.

I started a thread about this twat last year and made the papers..... just a heads up OP!

I never said that he was a good speaker or that he wasn't bumbling. He was, it was boring, but I enjoyed some of the points he made. You wouldn't have, and that's fine. I commented to offer futher context to anyone who might find it useful, which you didnt, which is fine. I think we can move on now?

He’s never been funny.

He's a twat and I've been saying it for years.

Yeah, so, Eddie's comments about the contributions of transfolk to the 100 years of suffragettes? Eddie, who didn't identify himself as 'trans' until last year?

And then, in referring to those 100 years stated 'We exist'.

I appreciate you have your own thoughts argumentative But you took me down very early in this thread when I was pondering why Eddie's ramblings would resonate with 'trans' theory seeing as Eddie's thoughts don't resonate with a lot of trans theory.

And then took me down for my humour around having a glass of wine, to denigrate me for drinking to much to debate with.

You don't know my identity 'if' points - as I don't know yours. But I know mine that come up hard against people like Eddie. Hence why I'm discussng the issue. And have a right to do so.

Of course you have a right and thankfully for you the mumsnet feminism board will continue to be a safe space for you to exercise that right.

Just joining you in a glass of wine there Pombear.

argumentative I'm not sure if you say that in good faith.

But as a female who has had 1 glass of wine tonight, in a world where females are judged for every small behaviour that is not 'feminine appropriate', I will thank you in good faith.

We should be able to debate, when we disclose in humour how much alcohol we've drunk, without being judged whether we're allowed to debate or not.

Thank you for standing down on your agrressive position,.

Let's agree to disagree whether Eddie is trolling trans or not!

Eddie Izzard has the political nous of a buttered handrail.

Picasso Joining you.

Cremant de Bourgogne- needs a special top to stop the bubble escaping so I can have another glass tomorrow, without becoming that awful woman who might have 'another' glass tonight!

With regards to his comedy:
Eddie hasn't been particularly funny for a while now. I think he's lost focus and sidetracked into making points all the time he's just forgotten he needs to make his comedy funny.