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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Johnson - gender-critical

30 replies

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/06/2018 09:58

If you're reading this Rachel, thank you Flowers

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5852701/RACHEL-JOHNSON-Happy-Fathers-Day-time-say-that.html#comments

Lots of the comments are getting it too!

MOS and DM have run quite a few articles now condemning self ID. The tide is turning.

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BeyondSceptical · 17/06/2018 10:02

I remember reading another GC article of hers when she was in CBB, but I can't remember what it was about now...?

Waddlelikeapenguin · 17/06/2018 10:04

I do think the cancer research has been a spectacular own goal Smile

gendercritter · 17/06/2018 10:10

Good article! She's right. Women are being erased.

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 10:11

Rachel Johnson's comment from the article above:

"The charity explained that the wording was designed not to offend the small number of women who identify as men.

But my suspicion is that the CRU must have been terrified of obloquy from trans women who don’t have cervixes, but would perhaps protest at any suggestion this means they are not women.

They have – or had – penises, prostates and testes (I await eagerly CRU’s tweet urging ‘everyone with prostate glands’, as opposed to men, to have them checked in due course). To put it uncharitably: the charity seems to think that not triggering trans women trumps saving the lives of women."

AncientLights · 17/06/2018 10:17

Lots of the comments don't seem to be getting it at all. Rather, they are blaming women & specifically feminists for these shifts in language and social mores.

speakingwoman · 17/06/2018 10:20

“ To put it uncharitably: the charity seems to think that not triggering trans women trumps saving the lives of women."”

The cancer research debacle has certainly stuck in my mind.

BiologyIsReal · 17/06/2018 10:26

Wish my Dad was alive to wish him happy father's day.

Not happy 'however you self ID yourself day' or 'happy person with a prostate day'.

I am so sick and tired of this Orwellian 'inclusivity' based on lies.

hackmum · 17/06/2018 10:42

*""The charity explained that the wording was designed not to offend the small number of women who identify as men.

But my suspicion is that the CRU must have been terrified of obloquy from trans women who don’t have cervixes, but would perhaps protest at any suggestion this means they are not women."*

I'm almost 100% certain she's right about that. Trans men wouldn't have been bothered by a reference to "women". Trans women would have kicked up a huge fuss.

GeordieTerf · 17/06/2018 10:42

It's worth mentioning that she was in CBB with the lovely India Willoughby...

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/06/2018 10:55

That would be enough to peak-trans anyone Geordie

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R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:04

Please read and share the important statement within this article by a woman directly affected by gynaecological cancer.

(extract)
"Maybe if we all take a moment to think about women like my mum, women who don’t have the cognitive or language abilities that we do, maybe cancers will be caught earlier, and maybe lives will be saved.

This is why being able to talk about our female bodies, in clear, non academic language matters.

This is why being able to request a female-bodied person for an intimate medical examination matters.

And this is why women like me, sometimes, want to spend time with other women like me. Only women like me.

It’s been more than 14 years since my mother died.

I really, really, miss her."

fairplayforwomen.com/cancer_research_drops_woman/

LangCleg · 17/06/2018 11:08

Twitter thread on this:

Cervix knowledge: a thread. My Grandma was diagnosed with a prolapsed cervix when she was 93. It caused her immense pain. Unfortunately, she had dementia and was in a home at the time. It was me listening to the things she said over and over about her 'minny' that made me guess.

When I told the staff what I thought it was and that they needed to get a Dr to check her out, they told me that old ladies don't have cervixes. I had to argue with them that they very much do. Of course, as soon as a Dr examined her, a cervical prolapse was confirmed. THANK YOU.

My Gran was a clever woman but had to leave school at 13 to go into service (be a maid). And no-one ever taught her words for her own anatomy. I taught her the word vagina in her 70s. But she knew women got problems "in their minny" and tried even when senile to communicate that.

If she'd not been senile and a Dr asked if she was experiencing cervical pain, she would've said no, because she would've not known what it was and been too embarrassed to ask. For all I know, she was asked before she got dementia and said no when the answer was yes (I hope not).

I should not have had to be the person who diagnosed my own grandma's cervical prolapse. But it is my proudest achievement that I did, and gave her 4 pain-free last month. Which I couldn't have done if I didn't know that being a woman is a biological reality, not an identity. END

twitter.com/ThrupennyBit/status/1007989301525860353

Public health must be for the genuinely marginalised (by which I mean people at the actual bottom, not blue-haired bourgeois narcissists). Policies like this won't affect middle class people - they know how to monopolise resources already. Public health has to reach out to people who don't access services - people with literacy deficits, language deficits, who are intimidated by "posh" words.

nauticant · 17/06/2018 11:14

Look at the bio:

Vagina-ing all over the ruddy shop.
Pronouns: Get/A/Grip

Simply marvellous.

FlippinFumin · 17/06/2018 11:28

I never thought of myself as agreeing with Rachel on very much. But right down to both our daughter's reactions is identical.

My son is bringing up his daughter on his own, today is their day to celebrate that. My son has never known his Dad, he wanted nothing to do with me or him, his loss by the way. On Mothers Day we celebrate me. We aren't a 'typical' family but we sure as hell enjoy being together instead of trying to find reasons to be shitty about other families.

Halfeatentoast · 17/06/2018 11:42

I agree hackmum the whole thing seems to be about them. I honestly don't think there are many, if any, transwomen fighting for transmen to get male only inheritance and yet I would bet my last pound they would kick up about this.

PositivelyPERF · 17/06/2018 11:50

I must remember to teach my 23yr old all about her anatomy, so she understands that the doctors are talking about her, when I’m talking her for her gynae scab. Of course, considering I have to remind her to change her sanitary pad, I really doubt she’ll have a fucking clue what I’m talking about. I, and her current medical staff, keep things very simple when talking to her about the checks she needs because she is a WOMAN! Any prick tries to talk about her being someone with a cervix will get a bollocking.

PositivelyPERF · 17/06/2018 11:50

Gynae *scan not scab! Yuck

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:53

link to current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277806-Cancer-Research-anyone-with-a-cervix

QueenoftheNights · 17/06/2018 12:02

I agree with her.

The way things are going it's as if straight men and women are not the norm, or the vast majority , but that lesbian, gay, not quite sure, trans whatever are.

For pity's sake these groups are a minority. Yes we ought to be tolerant of their choices but let's stop pretending it's widespread.

Like Rachel I am too old to be PC for the rest of my life. Live and let live but let's stop pushing trans and other types of sexuality (and ok, being trans is not 'sex') and making people who are hetero and happy with their gender feel awkward. The pendulum has swung too far and one day there will be a back lash.

hackmum · 17/06/2018 12:04

LangCleg: "When I told the staff what I thought it was and that they needed to get a Dr to check her out, they told me that old ladies don't have cervixes."

I am so shocked at this! What kind of idiot thinks that old women don't have cervixes?

DodoPatrol · 17/06/2018 12:07

Surey the way to go with the CRUK leaflets is
'Cervical screening (sometimes called the smear test) is relevant for women* aged 25-64 . Watch our animation ...']

where the *[footnote] clarifies:

'*and transmen who still have a cervix (the neck of the womb), but not women who do not have a cervix.'

NoseringGirl · 17/06/2018 12:10

Is Rachel Johnson still a Lib Dem?

SardineReturns · 17/06/2018 12:13

She uses sex to mean intercourse and gender to mean sex.

Jumped out at me.

This sort of thing is why it's all very difficult to discuss.

SardineReturns · 17/06/2018 12:16

Dodo on another thread I read that even if you've had it removed, cells can remain that can get cancerous.

If that's true then "anyone with a cervix" misses it.

What's wrong with women and trans men? I agree with consensus it's not about trans men it's about decoupling cervix from female so as not to upset some trans women.

PencilsInSpace · 17/06/2018 12:28

Rachel Johnson was gender critical before doing BB.

She wrote an article in March 2017 about Katie Brannan's trial for rape.