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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Johnson - gender-critical

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BoreOfWhabylon · 17/06/2018 09:58

If you're reading this Rachel, thank you Flowers

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5852701/RACHEL-JOHNSON-Happy-Fathers-Day-time-say-that.html#comments

Lots of the comments are getting it too!

MOS and DM have run quite a few articles now condemning self ID. The tide is turning.

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nauticant · 17/06/2018 12:29

What's wrong with women and trans men

It isn't snappy but I'd go with "women and other biologically female people". (But yeah, I know that any definition, not matter how it's phrased, will be unacceptable.)

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg · 17/06/2018 12:42

Public health must be for the genuinely marginalised (by which I mean people at the actual bottom, not blue-haired bourgeois narcissists). Policies like this won't affect middle class people - they know how to monopolise resources already.

Absolutely this.

I have money now. I worked my way through Uni, I got myself a good job, I can give my kids privilege they've never dreamed of - but my upbringing, all the stuff that I just don't know still does occasionally hamper me - I still am a bit cross that my dentist (who I'd had since a child, who's husband worked with my Dad, so she had an idea of our financial circumstances - especially once they were both made redundant) never thought to mention to me that I could pay to get white fillings, or a nicer crown, so I went years with unbelievably unsightly teeth. She thought she was being nice, because we were poor, but really, I was working, I could have found the money by then.

And as I said, I'm doing well, my parents did their best to prioritise education, they were immensely practical, and loved us all to bits, but still there's things that I just don't know, and don't know I don't know.

Privilege is knowing that stuff even exists, let alone having the money to pay for it - and that goes for healthcare as it goes for everything - privilege is having people to say that no, it shouldn't be like this, you can get it fixed, where the people at the bottom just know that their aunt has been suffering with whatever since she had her last kid, and no-ones ever said anything could be done about it.

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 14:09

Rachel Johnson's comment from the article ( March 2017 re Katie Brannen), linked above:

'A woman on trial for rape? Really? No. 'She' was born male, but that's a secret because even our courts are gripped by misgender madness '
(extract)
"To call someone by the wrong title is considered verbal assault and even bigotry.

And it’s largely fear of misgendering that has led to the courts perpetrating, and the press reporting, a fake fact – that women can and do rape men – rather than telling us the literal truth.

Last week, the courts decided to wave aside inconvenient aspects of biology and law (rape is defined as intentionally penetrating another person with your penis against their will, and only males have penises) because they were dealing with something far more important than truth, or indeed, statute.

They were dealing with a situation where a man identified as a woman. And his right to identify as a woman trumped our right to know the actual facts, as opposed to the ‘alternative facts’.

This case exposes like no other the stupid way our courts and our Parliament – and, I’m afraid, the press – are being sucked into the prevailing moral panic over misgendering, the cause that’s fast overtaken feminism as the go-to civil-liberties issue of our times.

It was this panic that prevented us from reporting or reading that Katie Brannan was born a man, and had a penis – two facts completely central to this case. You have to know them otherwise – think about it – the charge wouldn’t be rape.

Even so, we’re not allowed to call a spade a spade even though this is the only way you can make any sense at all of this man-bites-dog story. It’s getting even more bonkers as there are moves afoot to make gender a simple and swift matter of choice requiring no bureaucracy at all... " (continues)

Beamur · 17/06/2018 15:14

If this attempt to be inclusive has the result that some women die rather than have a simple test, surely that is more of a tragedy than misgendering or 'othering' a few individuals who probably, more than most women even, know their bodies.
Inclusivity for most minority groups has been, in reality, relatively easy to accommodate with a bit of a mind shift culturally and an improved vocabulary, but the trans agenda is so much harder because some individuals are demanding these linguistic gymnastics, which make little sense to the majority.
This is the first issue I've ever found myself thinking it was PC gone mad.

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