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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cancer Research: anyone with a cervix

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Aloneinacrowd70 · 14/06/2018 14:20

Not sure how to link to Twitter, but Cancer Research UK have a pinned tweet which says:

'Cervical screening (or the smear test) is relevant for everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix. Watch our animation to find out what to expect when you go for screening #CervicalScreeningAwarenessWeek'

Everyone with a cervix? I think in their attempt to be inclusive, they are potentially excluding women who may not know about their own biology. Plus, they still refer to men with regard to prostate cancer:

www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/prostate-cancer

It's only women who are unable to be named, apparently.

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Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 10:07

I wouldn't be opposed to updating the language in information on testicular or prostate cancer, either. Men are people too. So that's a bit of a red herring

Except they deliberately have tried to engage men as a hard to reach group needing prostate checks by speaking to them directly. So I doubt they'll be watering down the language and risk alienating or confusing them any time soon.

SittingAround1 · 15/06/2018 10:09

WidowWadman so you'd erase the words 'men' and 'women' when talking about specific sex based medical problems ?

You do realise the NHS needs to target the entire population.

You do realise that trans-people remain medically the sex they are born even after 'transition'.

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 10:09

They will likely be confusing more than they save. I doubt they will have done any proper evidence based research on this change.

It's just knee jerk twitter identiteeee bollocks. Probably some blue haired fool suggested it. Or they were deliberately targeted for "education" by trans orgs.

WeAreGerbil · 15/06/2018 10:17

I wouldn't put it past those not so few bewildered men, not conversant in their own anatomy, never mind women's, to think they may have a cervix

I know one teenage boy who was outraged only the girls were getting vaccinations to protect them from cervical cancer!

BettyDuMonde · 15/06/2018 10:18

@changeypants - I’m sorry to hear about your mum ❤️

My mum was born in 1950, failed her 11 plus and went to work in a lampshade factory age 14. By the time I was about 6 I used to spell out my school absent notes for her. In hindsight, I suppose she was dyslexic but, well, that definitely wasn’t a term she would’ve been familiar with. She had enough trouble writing ‘stomach ache’ without me there to help.

I can’t say if she’d have realised ‘people with a cervix’ was aimed at her or not. I’d ask her, but I can’t. She’s dead.

My mum died at 54 of what her own mum would’ve cheerfully referred to as ‘women’s problems’.

If only she’d had enough brains to realise all those stomach aches were her cancerous ovaries killing her from the inside.

So, if some of y’all ‘can’t see the problem with it’ please take a moment to think of my mum, and how I stood in a hospital room with a nurse holding me upright so that I could hold her hand while she died.

And how I’ve been a motherless daughter since my early 20s.

Maybe if we all take a moment to think about women that don’t have the cognitive or language abilities we do, cancers will be caught earlier, and lives will be saved.

This is why being able to talk about our female bodies, in clear, non academic language matters. This is why being able to request a female-bodied person for an intimate medical examination matters.

And this is why women like me, sometimes, want to spend time with other women like me.

I really, really, miss her.

enoughisenoughtoday · 15/06/2018 10:22

Thank you for posting BettyduMonde . There really are no words in response.

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thewitchofwentworth · 15/06/2018 10:25

Need some men to call them up asking if they have a cervix and should be booking an exam.

rememberthetime · 15/06/2018 10:31

Betty - my mother also died of cancer of the uterus. It is so important that we understand the biology of women and that we carefully and consistently use the biological terms that are correct and factual.

When a women hears the term "women's cancers" we understand that they reference to our primary and sometimes secondary sex characteristics such as our breasts, womb, cervix, ovaries etc. We understand that this is what makes us different to men and why we need to make a special effort to ensure we look after and check on our womanly biology.

Anyone who has ever been a woman and now refers to themselves as a man will also understand their biology - they have, after all, been wanting to change it for their entire life. So they should not be fearful of having their biology described as female. it could actually save their life for them to respect the female part of their body, while still having their male identity.

I honestly don't understand why this is such a hard concept for them. Yes, you feel like a man and that is great. But you have female biology and you need to recognise that part of you too. Your body is kind of special because of it.

Transmen and transwomen surely understand that medical issues relating to their biological sex are important for them to take note of. It is just common sense - they don't need to be specifically targeted. They are not blind to their biology.

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 10:32

Some of these stories from posters are desperately sad Thanks

StealthPolarBear · 15/06/2018 10:33

"Does anyone think the word 'women' might catch on if we started using it?"
Ooh that's too complicated. My tiny pink brain can't handle it.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 10:43

BettyduMonde Flowers

I have met so many wonderful feisty women diagnosed with gyny cancers since mine was caught by chance.

So many women who have done what they could to make treatment a little better for those women and their families who will follow them.

Due to nature of the diseases many have died.

The people lobbying to change language have no idea of the realities of gyny cancer diagnosis, treatment or how much there is to do.

IamXXHearMeRoar · 15/06/2018 10:49

Can someone (with a bit more time than I have today) please put together a cut and paste email and details so we can contact the charity direct and get them telt?

Am fucked off with this.

How very fucking dare they.

Let's mobilise and start actively demanding answers from these woke fuckwits.

Melamin · 15/06/2018 10:52

So many of the female cancer symptoms overlap with other 'women's problems' like menarch, period problems, endometriosis, reproductive issues and damage, menopause, prolapses, pcos, bladder issues, PMS, PP mental health and many more that I have forgotten. You cannot just isolate a body part and have done with it.

SlightAggrandising · 15/06/2018 11:11

The times comments are overwhelmingly (100%) calling calling out this bullshit.

I note that CRUK havent responded to a single tweet about it though.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 11:14

Quoted in the Daily Mail is this tweet:

"Thank you for this. I’ve just had a pre-cancerous cervical lesion removed. The misgendering I received at my doctor got so bad I told my husband I’d rather die of cancer instead. But I got through it & am thankful I got checked early!"

Its a reply to the CRUK twitter campaign.

From a Twitter account which seems almost certainly not in the UK.

I am beyond words....

Sillydoggy · 15/06/2018 11:15

BettyduMonde
Thank you for speaking out. Your story is exactly why this is wrong. This is not inclusive language at all, it excludes a huge number of women not able or comfortable in speaking about their own biology.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 11:16

Angry Angry Angry Sad Sad Sad

Popchyk · 15/06/2018 11:21

No, they responded with condolences to one man (sorry I mean person with a prostate) who said he'd lost his wife.

So they're obviously monitoring the Twitter account. And ignoring what people are saying in the main.

But this is getting the erasure of women a lot of publicity.

Which is a good thing.

Melamin · 15/06/2018 11:23

PHE have published an excellent leaflet for trans people detailing what screening is required in what circumstances and how to get it: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/623309/Transgender_cross_programme_screening_leaflet.pdf

All you have to do is pick it up and read it, or search it online. Doctors cannot ask you if you are trans and give it to you, of course.

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 11:29

"Thank you for this. I’ve just had a pre-cancerous cervical lesion removed. The misgendering I received at my doctor got so bad I told my husband I’d rather die of cancer instead. But I got through it & am thankful I got checked early!"

That must be satire!

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 12:45

Its not.

I can't tell you what I think about this comment. Even on a site that allows swearing.

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 12:51

Wow. Like you, no words.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 12:51

Link to tweet:

twitter.com/remembrancermx/status/1007397507825954821