Open letter to advertisers on mumsnet

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To all who advertise on here

I am a female, born as such and with the chromosomes that identify me as female.

I am horrified that mumsnet has caved in to a vocal minority and has effectively banned free speech that is factually correct. I accept people should not be abusive to one another but to insist that correct terms used in constructive and educational debate should not be used is an attack on freedom of speech.

As mumsnet have caved in to this abusive minority - a minority who often try to use intimidation to prevent women from gathering to discuss issues that affect women, I will have to reconsider my presence on mumsnet. Should I choose to withdraw from visiting the site you will have lost a potential consumer and will certainly have lost an audience member. I am also going to go one step further should I withdraw (or be banned) from mumsnet - I will make a list of all advertisers and will actively boycott your products and encourage all I know to do the same.

Oppression of females must not be tolerated. We must be allowed to speak freely, to feel safe, to have safe spaces, to be free from violence both verbal and physical, to have equality, to be allowed our identity, to be listened to. In short, we must not be oppressed.

There are women who support those who are trying to erode women's freedom of speech and identity - this does not make them right. Women opposed women getting the vote and equality. The majority of women who did want the right to vote and equality eventually made enough noise that they were listened to. At the moment a vocal minority have mumsnet and others in their thrall. The majority of which I am a part are starting to wake up. I urge you to not give in to a minority intent on distorting truths and subjugating women.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3232460-Boycott-list?msgid=78656141#78656141

I am horrified that mumsnet has caved in to a vocal minority

You assume the view that it's acceptable to misgender trans people and exclude trans women from female shop changing rooms is the majority view. I'm guessing you are the 'vocal minority' on MN.

I'm also guessing it is the flagrant transhpobia that is the most expendable element to MN.

Aye and just to add that I was actively boycott any companies that I understand to be supportive of “trans women are woman”.

You appear to be threatening to withdraw your custom from companies that follow the law. There is no reason trans women should be excluded from toilets or shop changing rooms when these days they are all individual, usually locked, cubicles. That is in line with the Equalities Act.

Count me in

It's perfectly acceptable to reject and ignore gender ideology. It's reciprocal. Gender ideologists ignore women's rights.

It's not acceptable to ignore the law and shops are going to be more concerned about that.

*@Southfields

One of them accidentally exposed all this and I screen capped it.

Do you have those screencaps - I'd be interested to see them if you do.*

Same here.

I'm boycotting too. I'm another high spender who purchases everything for the family.

The Mercure hotels are part of the Accor group. We've stayed at them 20+ times over the last year or two (the Novotel family rooms are, well; were, great for us) and we are in their Platinum club. I've just booked our next two hotel visits and, because of their actions towards WPUK, I have taken my business elsewhere. I have 10 minutes on my hands now, so am going to drop them a quick email to tell them why.

It's not acceptable to ignore the law and shops are going to be more concerned about that.

The law is the problem. Laws are not perfect pronouncements. They are sometimes very WRONG.

Men don't change sex and women don't want men in their changerooms, bathrooms, prisons, shelters etc.

If we can't name male and female, we females can't talk about our oppression and therefore don't have a feminist movement.

The law says women are entitled to sex segregation for things such as changing rooms.

Hadn’t registered About Mecure.

Charity shops, interesting idea. Not sure I’d currently shop in either Oxfam or Cancer research though.

Can we have a list of where we can shop/businesses we want to support?

If we can't name male and female, we females can't talk about our oppression and therefore don't have a feminist movement.

Exactly.

If we can't name male and female, we females can't talk about our oppression and therefore don't have a feminist movement.

Is that all or nothing thinking? You can name male and female and talk about your oppression. I hardly think the occasional trans woman trying on clothes in M&S is going to bring down the feminist movement.

We do have a feminist movement. Add besides, it's not just feminists, Don't forget it was the backlash to identity politics that put Trump in the White House. It's happening.

Giberrty etc here are like King Canutes sitting on a beach.

The law says you should allow trans people to use the facilities in line with their presentation unless you can objectively justify not doing so. Shop bathrooms and toilets allow bodily privacy.

Generally, a business which is providing separate services or single-sex services should treat a transsexual person according to the sex in which the transsexual person presents (as opposed to the physical sex they were born with), as it is unlawful to discriminate against someone because of gender reassignment.
www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/what_equality_law_means_for_your_business.pdf

I hardly think the occasional trans woman trying on clothes in M&S is going to bring down the feminist movement.

Not when transactivists use the law to decimate womanhood, like Obama's crazy mandate that effectively eliminated Title IX protections for females or Canada's C-16 where gender identity is a protected characteristic.

You use the law when it suits you to argue and then an anecdote when it suits you.

Haven't you noticed ANY of the arguments by women on this board?

Hear, hear.

To all who advertise here, I am making a list of you all. I will circulate it amongst all my family and friends this weekend (and update as necessary) but you can all consider yourselves boycotted by us all.

Should @MNHQ decide to come to it's senses regarding free speech for women, we will resume using advertisers here.

The power is in your hands...

Can we start a list of stores to boycott then? I know a few have already been mentioned.

DH earns a 6 figure salary so nice disposable income. I teach part time (2 days a week for 39 weeks a year) so I'm the one who arranges/buys everything for all 4 of us plus any birthday/Christmas gifts for both sides of the family. I'm starting to see this as a positive.

I buy pretty much everything for out household.

Ditched:
M & S
Lush
Primark

I would be very interested in a list of the companies who are happily conspiring with caving in to the TRA's.

I too have bought lots of things I don't really need on the strength of a post on mumsnet
I'm also furious at the denial of biology and the rights of women being eroded by men

Absolutely boycotting. Reasonably decent sized discretionary spending here. DH on board.

I’m the main purchase decider in a household with a fair bit of spending power.
I’ve also bought a fair amount of stuff on the say so of fellow MN-ers and asked for recommendations on stuff.

So yes. I think it would be wise for advertisers to realise where their core market lies. I’d be interested to see if any advertisers drop MN over this, because that’ll be the last of my points they’d see.

I’m also fascinated that a small group wields such power. How?

I have good disposable income. I have four children who also have reasonable(ish) incomes. I am the purchaser in my house and have bought on the strength of post here - no more! No more buying of advertisers here products, all boycotted..

My kids have all agreed to boycott with me, so 4 kids + 3 spouses and 6 grand-kids. All lost revenue.

Yes, yes, Supermatch many on this thread know that. It's just that some choose to take their obviously considerable purchasing power elsewhere.

I shall certainly be boycotting Royal Ascot and Links.

Do Royal Ascot and Links advertise on here or have they done anything else?