Honour system

[scotsheather]

I saw 1 or 2 posters advocating the 'honour system' for transgender people, mostly with regard to female spaces. I know the principal of such a system, but how it applies to trans and GNC people I don't know how it works in practice. Is it becoming unfit for purpose, or abused more than before? I've kind of been on the fence about the whole issue as I see the concerns from both sides. Is it more difficult to uphold any honour system than say years ago?

YY TokenBritPoshOfCourse. And by the same principle, every murderer could be trans too.

I mean, for all we know, every victim of murder ever could be trans. How would we know?

Indeed.

YY TokenBritPoshOfCourse. And by the same principle, every murderer could be trans too.

I expect we're about to find out that they all mysteriously are, and have been waiting to express their authentic inner identity until the government made it possible for them to easily identify out of a male prison into a female one where they can play power games.

They're murdered by men though. Not feminists.

I'm no longer in touch with my MtF trans friend as they moved away. Wish I could ask him to test whether it worked just as well hovering at the edge of the Gents (in skirt and make-up, natch) and politely saying to a friend, 'Would you mind checking if it's empty before I nip in?' like he'd done in the Ladies.

I suspect most men, being decent blokes, would say, just as we did, 'Sure, you're fine, in you go and I'll keep an eye out.'

Bugger, just re-read and see I used 'him' when R would have preferred 'her'. MNHQ feel free to edit if you need to. I knew 'him' years longer than I knew 'her'.

"Bugger, just re-read and see I used 'him' when R would have preferred 'her'. MNHQ feel free to edit if you need to. I knew 'him' years longer than I knew 'her'.".

Thank you DodoPatrol. In the face of nastiness on here, that is heartwarming

Dodo Ive known one MtF since that person was tiny, 50 years ago. I also know the family so hurt by it all. I've never heard anyone use female pronouns about this MtF, nor about the other MtF I know unless they are actually there to hear. No one wants to hurt them. Doesn't mean we aren't aware of reality.

I'm permanently divided about this, frankly. I don't know how well R's wife and children have coped with it, long term, nor how things really went for R post-transition. I can only look back at the kindly hippy-type I used to know and assume some of that stayed the same whatever the pronouns.

Before the melodramatic personality-fest types took over the press, I'd also assumed that most trans males were probably a bit like R or like the very tweedy don I knew, not the porn-influenced/misguided miniskirts type.

The porn side of it and the ridiculousness and the sheer venom around 'trans-exclusionary language' has all been an unpleasant eyeopener, really.

And the possibility that R was privately behaving to wife and children in some of the ways shown by other middle-aged transitioners is also an unpleasant thought.

I do look at stories from other families of late transitioned men for balance, but the 'fell in love with a new woman, and it's ME!' theme is always a possibility.