Ian Huntley

[Pratchet]

Twitter story on Julia Hartley-Brewer talk Radio this morning

times on Huntley on a different issue with the libdems

The real story, for me, is how political wannabes are behaving over the (frankly hypothetical) transitioning of Huntley. The automatic side-taking, the unquestioning acceptance of the scenario, the willingness to support a paedophile murderer access a women's prison.

I agree this is the real story, because, as LangCleg says, unquestioning acceptance is what supporting self ID means, surely? I don't see what else self ID supporters can do other than keep quiet or talk loftily about not responding to gossip and pray it all blows over.

I agree this is the real story, because, as LangCleg says, unquestioning acceptance is what supporting self ID means, surely? I don't see what else self ID supporters can do other than keep quiet or talk loftily about not responding to gossip and pray it all blows over.

Exactly. Two instructive things about this whole Huntley debacle:

*how transactivists respond to being hoist with their own petard over a clearly unacceptable (to anyone sane) example of self-ID

*how influencers (institutions, orgs, politicians) respond. Twitter made a big mistake deleting that post. Political parties - will they or won't they rein in their misogynist activists

None of this is really about Huntley himself.

(I'm enjoying bolding all the pronouns.)

Rather than being about the precise facts, to me it's a great example of following where an ideology can take us. (If politicians want us to accept a very out-there ideology we're allowed to ask where it goes and they have a duty to give a proper answer.)

It's instructive that when questions did arise, once name-calling didn't work, or attempts to make people feel bad, then it was time to try and shut down the discussion.

It turns out that self-ID, often paraded by TRAs as an absolute, became a fuzzy and opaque thing when held up to scrutiny.

The stand out for me was supporters of self-ID finding themselves unable to say "hang on, maybe you've got a point, maybe there are problems here that we'll have to do some proper thinking about". There was something Captain of the Titanic about it.

I had a thread on here last December about this. And yes, some people did indeed refer to IH as she. None could explain what it was about IH that made him a woman. Not could anyone explain the difference between him saying this and any other bloke. Yet apparently some people are happy to call some men women, and not others.

ToeToToe
Alisdair Calder McGregor - is quite clearly a twat - who cares not whether women are put at risk as long as he can virtuously signal his incredibly uber tolerant liberal credentials.

There's a special place in hell for men like him - who would put a child-killer's "gender identity" above women's safety.

I agree with every word of this.

I have voted Lib Dem in the last few elections, having been a lifelong Labour voter driven away by their anti-semitism.

Now I can't vote for the fucking LDs either.

[politically homeless]

what is deadnaming?

AJPTaylor It's using someone's pre-transition name, e.g. Bruce Jenner.

Deadnaming is using the name the person had before they transitioned. In the case of Caitlyn Jenner is would be referring to them as Bruce.

Some activists take it further and believe that any reference at all to the pre-transition identity is the most terrible violence. For these fanatics to be satisfied it would mean that historical records of a crime carried out by a man would need to be rewritten as having been carried out by a woman.

The stand out for me was supporters of self-ID finding themselves unable to say "hang on, maybe you've got a point, maybe there are problems here that we'll have to do some proper thinking about". There was something Captain of the Titanic about it.

Very Titanic. The narcs among the activists (ie almost all of them) can't even see this, let alone react to it. They can't deviate at all. But the light is beginning to dawn over at the political parties and the organisations who have given reflexive and unquestioning support to the extent that a majority of councils have managed to rewrite an Equality Act they're supposed to uphold. The reversing course is going to be interesting to watch!

Deadnaming is using a trans person's former M/F name to refer to them.

AND because a trans person has always been F/M/whatever they are transitioning to even if they may have been entirely F/M in their presentation/socialisation etc it is also deadnaming to say 'a man named Ian Huntley killed two ten year old girls' we have to say that those crimes were committed by a woman named Lian or Nicola or whatever the Daily Mirror's Lags at Large editor says they heard in the prison shower. Otherwise the Lib Dems tell us we're transphobic.

Is that right?

Important point shared by Graham Linehan:

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1006241869553127424

Gorgon - I'm politically homeless too. I've always voted labour in the past. Can't now (obviously).

Deadnaming: What should have been a triumph for women in the film industry, when Bridget Jones' Baby meant it was the first ever trilogy made by female directors, is now considered the second after the Wachowskis Matrix trilogy

www.bustle.com/articles/183525-bridget-joness-baby-is-the-second-movie-trilogy-with-all-female-directors-but-thats-just-one

Pretty ironic when women had to fight so hard to get prostitution convictions removed

But even Caitlyn Jenner admits that people will recognise them by dint of them being an Olympic Gold medallist won when Bruce Jenner. Jenner doesn't mind being called 'dad'.

That tweet by Graham Linehan is shocking!

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1006468236483973120

Link referenced in tweet:
edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Looks like all the TRAs involved have locked down their tweets this morning. Weird huh?
Yeah, quite weird TERFragette. I doubt with that degree of narcissism between them that they will be stealth for very long.

R0wan by coincidence I bookmarked some older stuff from ATH the other day. Have been too busy to post. But an older manifesto included getting rid of the sex-based protection of women's spaces, refuges, hospital wards, etc. Most of the rest of the stuff they achieved, or are about to achieve. It will be the last to fall I think. Of course the TRAs here insist that women-only spaces will still exist under the EA and we are just being panicky.

This is typical abuser/man strategy though, ask for an inch, keep going until you get the entire ruler. First 'just this, that is all'. Five minutes later 'now just this'. And so it goes on.

The tweet thread above continues with further reference to Action For Trans Health calls re birth certificates

cf current case discussed here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3271504-Transgender-man-gives-birth-and-wants-to-be-recorded-as-babys-father

So who committed the Soham murders then? Ian or Lian? Or do I understand that if you self-Id as the opposite sex your past crimes were committed by someone else ?

This crap is going to result in a terrible tragedy at some point.

Or do I understand that if you self-Id as the opposite sex your past crimes were committed by someone else ?

A wife-killer in the US argues that very thing. His horrendous murder was committed by 'him as man-name', but look! she is a lady now, and nothing to do with the crime! Magic.

Please note: pronoun usage as per the killer's descriptions. ie, third party usage

And the other excuse (used by one in the UK) "it was the dysphoria that made them do it".

Pfffft.

I didn't really expect to peaktrans but this man has challenged my views like not before. We can only hope the system will weed out attention seeking, psychopathic, multiple rapist, double child murdering men, who for the record don't have any family or jobs to lose by 'transitioning' (he's lost them long ago) from abusing a system intended to help those with real and diagnosable dysphoria that rely on honour and honesty with subjective issues, and getting into a womens prison.

He's a scumbag in the extreme!

Wasn't that what Kellie Maloney said about attacking their ex-wife? It was because of their dysmorphia.

I really can't get over the support for Huntley. Who wants to publicly align themselves with that guy? If you asked most people whether they'd choose to save a rabid dog or Huntley most people would choose the dog. Pretty sure a roach would win that contest too.