Ian Huntley

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Twitter story on Julia Hartley-Brewer talk Radio this morning

So, we appear to have the LibDem position. I would be very interested to hear how Labour and the Conservatives feel about deadnaming Huntley. I imagine the responses might be more pragmatic, but the LibDems position is at least consistent with support for Self-ID.

Anyone who says Huntley cannot declare his own gender is anti self-ID, unless their proposing caveats where someone else gets a say over which sex shower you use.

'their' = 'they're' (thank God this site is anonymous, I'd never get any editing work...)

McGregor has protected his tweets. So he doesnt have the courage of his convictions after all.

He is getting a pasting on Twitter. Which is excellent

Link to Nic Williams & Julia Hartley-Brewer discussing this on Talk Radio this morning.

twitter.com/i/status/1006105604178538496

McGregor blocked me very quickly so I'm unable to see him develop his argument that TERFs are sock puppets.

I suppose they could be jgrobinson and are using this to make a point?

Even if the story itself is not true, the people falling over themselves to look woke by defending Huntley's right to be a woman and have a new name are very real.

Sunset Yes

And a lot of people are 'seeing them'. Good!

Empress

Nic Williams did a good job.

She is stronger and stronger every single time. Love her.

But it's easier to disbelieve isn't It? Firstly, its hard to believe that any reasonable person would go into bat for the likes of Huntley, especially people linked to a major political party. Secondly, if you start to believe it, it changes the way you see the world, and not in a good way.

That guy's tweet - as quoted in Guido - says something like 'I'm sorry you feel it is appropriate to force trans women into male prisons where they will be in danger from other inmates.'

I don't really know where to start with a person who could say that directly referencing the case of a man who killed two ten year old girls, most probably for sexual reasons.

Where's your ability to think critically on the most basic level about what safeguarding is for and who needs safeguarding from whom?

The thing is, you can't believe in gender identities and self-ID and not think Ian Huntley is a woman if Ian Huntley says he is a woman. If you ringfence one, you ringfence all.

This is what self-ID is.

And even the zealots can see that Ian Huntley isn't a good look. Ergo, they say "didn't happen" rather than choose between refuting the entire ideology or openly saying Ian Huntley is as much a woman as any of you cunty types.

Worth pointing out that these are not fringe opinions among TRAs. This charmer has 17,000 twitter followers & openly spouts similar views.

I suppose at least that one has the courage of their convictions ??

Aibu to not understand what this is all about. They haven't let him out have they?

Dhalandchips

Briefly, there have been various reports that Huntley now identifies as a woman and wants a move to a womens prison (whether this is true or not isn't really relevant, what happened next is) .

Someone on Twitter stated that ian huntley, was called ian Huntley and that he was a man, this was reported by another user for dead naming Huntley. Twitter decided this was transphobic abuse and deleted the tweet that called Huntley a man.
Since then there have been others defending Huntley and his gender feelz and his right to move to a womens prison.

My DH is a libdem voter.

He's just returned from work, and said "did you read that guido fawkes thing on the libdems?" "Yup" says I.

He's going to write a letter to our local LibDem candidate, as a voter, and tell them that because of this, he cannot vote for them again.

Completely unprompted by me.

Where's your ability to think critically on the most basic level about what safeguarding is for and who needs safeguarding from whom?

Modern safeguarding procedures were in part directly developed as a response to Huntley's actions.

WTAF??

Not trying to derail, but the root of the Huntley story seems all smoke and mirrors to me, and I do wonder who is responsible for it. And why.

As far as I can see, the story of him wishing to transition originated in the Daily Star Sunday back in early 2017, but it was all 'reportedly' and 'according to sources' - no actual verifiable facts. It was picked up by other papers - The Sun, The Daily Express, Mirror, even The Telegraph - but all just quoting each other, 'as reported in The Sun', etc. No verifiable FACTS reported by any of them.

Then the Daily Star reanimates the story this April, and he doesn't want to be called Lian he wants to be called Nicola. This is incendiary, given that Nicola is the name of Holly's mother. And again, no EVIDENCE that this is actually happening, just anonymous sources.

So, is this just a case of a red-top rag creating clickbait, and the other papers cashing in too with their 'as reported' me-too versions? Or is there anything to it? No newspapers have actually investigated it, as far as I can see. Is that the won't-run-negative-trans-stories-for-fear-of-TRA-attention (though they clearly think they can get away with as-reported-in-the Sun/Star), or is it because they know it's just clickbait crap? I can't tell. There is also the possibility that the whole story has been manufactured to point out just how bad the idea of SelfID is, but that's a conspiracy theory too far for me!

And now the twist of the 'can't deadname Ian Huntley' on Twitter. The source for that is the screenshot earlier in the thread, where xyr2000 reported Spygirl. There's now a helluva lot of tweets deadnaming and correctlygendering Mr Huntley, so if Twitter are going to act on them, they've got a long night ahead of them. Again, I don't know if Twitter is acting on this, it's possible Spygirl's was an isolated incident. xyr2000 is now nowhere to be seen, the account appears to have been deleted.

The real story, for me, is how political wannabes are behaving over the (frankly hypothetical) transitioning of Huntley. The automatic side-taking, the unquestioning acceptance of the scenario, the willingness to support a paedophile murderer access a women's prison.

In particular, one Alisdair Calder McGregor, who sits on
the Federal Policy Committee. Their remit is - "The Federal Policy Committee is responsible for researching and developing policy and overseeing the Federal Party’s policy-making process. This includes producing policy papers for debate at conference, and drawing up (in consultation with the parliamentary party) the Federal election manifestos for Westminster and European elections." So he has a hand in developing policy for the LibDems. And he considers anyone deadnaming Huntley to be a 'transphobic arse' (see the photo I've attached).

So, in short, if this is the type of person guiding policy for the LibDems, I really don't think I can trust that party.

Wow those tweets!

No denial either. So this is Lib Dem policy, made on the hoof by a no mates misogynist.